1 00:00:31,900 --> 00:00:21,830 [Music] 2 00:00:37,070 --> 00:00:34,850 they're planted at a ranch at Corona New 3 00:00:39,830 --> 00:00:37,080 Mexico a rancher turned it over to the 4 00:00:41,780 --> 00:00:39,840 airport brighter WW Brazil was the man 5 00:00:44,390 --> 00:00:41,790 who discovered the sovereigns what I 6 00:00:46,900 --> 00:00:44,400 thought was a star began coming in my 7 00:00:49,580 --> 00:00:46,910 direction at a very rapid rate of speed 8 00:00:51,110 --> 00:00:49,590 the unidentified objects which thumb 9 00:00:53,510 --> 00:00:51,120 towards the thought might be a blimp 10 00:00:55,580 --> 00:00:53,520 moved forward on the Pacific coast from 11 00:00:58,639 --> 00:00:55,590 Santa Monica and disappeared 12 00:01:00,680 --> 00:00:58,649 south of Long Beach I saw a UFO and he 13 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:00,690 went down the river turned right of the 14 00:01:08,970 --> 00:01:01,770 United Nations 15 00:01:18,850 --> 00:01:13,870 UFO classified no more plausible 16 00:01:23,260 --> 00:01:18,860 deniability fact fiction or the truth 17 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:23,270 you decide and now the new voice of the 18 00:01:30,730 --> 00:01:26,090 high desert the hostess of UFO 19 00:01:32,770 --> 00:01:30,740 classified erica luke's afternoon good 20 00:01:35,500 --> 00:01:32,780 evening my friends I hope you are having 21 00:01:37,570 --> 00:01:35,510 a wonderful holiday season I know I am 22 00:01:39,610 --> 00:01:37,580 and I'm looking forward to my trip to 23 00:01:42,100 --> 00:01:39,620 Germany in the next few weeks that will 24 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:42,110 be fun I will have meetings there with 25 00:01:47,109 --> 00:01:45,170 specific people who are involved in you 26 00:01:48,850 --> 00:01:47,119 in German ufology which should be 27 00:01:50,950 --> 00:01:48,860 interesting and I will keep you posted 28 00:01:54,940 --> 00:01:50,960 on that of course you know it's always a 29 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:54,950 busy busy week for me because I'm not 30 00:02:00,160 --> 00:01:58,130 only managing a business I am also doing 31 00:02:03,190 --> 00:02:00,170 spending hours and hours every day 32 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:03,200 researching and trying to preserve 33 00:02:08,499 --> 00:02:05,690 history write my book with Gordon lore 34 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:08,509 I've got a lot going on but as you know 35 00:02:12,340 --> 00:02:10,640 to me this is the most important subject 36 00:02:14,170 --> 00:02:12,350 that we could ever deal with and I 37 00:02:18,220 --> 00:02:14,180 believe that it should be dealt with 38 00:02:20,620 --> 00:02:18,230 with integrity and we deserve the truth 39 00:02:22,420 --> 00:02:20,630 which we are simply not getting I want 40 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:22,430 to thank all of the people for being in 41 00:02:26,530 --> 00:02:24,489 chat you are my biggest supporters and 42 00:02:29,259 --> 00:02:26,540 Douglas I hope you're feeling better I 43 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:29,269 want to thank Doug Wright for everything 44 00:02:35,229 --> 00:02:31,610 of course northern UFOs it's good to see 45 00:02:36,550 --> 00:02:35,239 Dave and echo and and how put off I love 46 00:02:38,620 --> 00:02:36,560 that that's always a good one on 47 00:02:41,949 --> 00:02:38,630 Victoria but you guys mean the world to 48 00:02:44,670 --> 00:02:41,959 me I'm here because of this family that 49 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:44,680 we have all created together we are 50 00:02:48,930 --> 00:02:47,450 asking the right questions where we're 51 00:02:52,150 --> 00:02:48,940 making sure that we're not following 52 00:02:54,670 --> 00:02:52,160 every bright new shiny star that comes 53 00:02:56,530 --> 00:02:54,680 along because hopefully all of us know 54 00:02:58,660 --> 00:02:56,540 that history should be teaching us some 55 00:03:00,430 --> 00:02:58,670 lessons and the bottom line is the 56 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:00,440 history of the subject tells us very 57 00:03:06,190 --> 00:03:04,010 clearly and concisely that the United 58 00:03:10,449 --> 00:03:06,200 States government really has no true 59 00:03:12,820 --> 00:03:10,459 interest in disclosing this subject or 60 00:03:14,860 --> 00:03:12,830 the truth about what they know it will 61 00:03:17,770 --> 00:03:14,870 be used as some sort of manipulation 62 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:17,780 some ploy like it has been for the past 63 00:03:21,589 --> 00:03:21,169 sixty plus years so we need to get over 64 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:21,599 that 65 00:03:26,330 --> 00:03:23,730 I've had some interesting feedback on my 66 00:03:28,819 --> 00:03:26,340 YouTube channel although it's it's 99% 67 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:28,829 really positive and I appreciate all of 68 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:30,810 you but occasionally I'll get you know 69 00:03:36,830 --> 00:03:34,170 people that are the TTS a supporters 70 00:03:39,589 --> 00:03:36,840 that are living and dying by them I'm 71 00:03:41,780 --> 00:03:39,599 not sure if they're paged to do that to 72 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:41,790 get in there and kind of troll and cause 73 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:44,250 trouble I have a feeling that some of 74 00:03:48,830 --> 00:03:46,889 them are but I also think unfortunately 75 00:03:50,539 --> 00:03:48,840 younger people that get involved in this 76 00:03:52,699 --> 00:03:50,549 subject or people that don't understand 77 00:03:55,580 --> 00:03:52,709 the history of the complexities of it 78 00:03:57,170 --> 00:03:55,590 fall down these these rabbit holes and 79 00:03:58,849 --> 00:03:57,180 they they drink the kool-aid and 80 00:04:00,500 --> 00:03:58,859 although I would love to believe that 81 00:04:02,689 --> 00:04:00,510 everything is on the up-and-up 82 00:04:06,110 --> 00:04:02,699 I think we need to ask some serious 83 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:06,120 questions and we need to to step back 84 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:08,370 and look at the people involved look at 85 00:04:13,729 --> 00:04:10,489 the history like I said and be very 86 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:13,739 guarded and thoughtful when it comes to 87 00:04:17,900 --> 00:04:16,410 putting our eggs in a certain basket so 88 00:04:19,789 --> 00:04:17,910 that's all I'm gonna say on that one 89 00:04:21,740 --> 00:04:19,799 thank you I will get off my little 90 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:21,750 pulpit right now and make away from my 91 00:04:27,140 --> 00:04:24,090 guest this evening my guest has a show 92 00:04:29,029 --> 00:04:27,150 on K cor on Thursday evenings he's been 93 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:29,039 on my show once before I've been on his 94 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:33,210 show with Tim Schwartz and I have to say 95 00:04:40,670 --> 00:04:36,530 that Tim green Timothy green Beckley is 96 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:40,680 probably one of the most colorful people 97 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:43,650 in in the history of ufology he has done 98 00:04:48,469 --> 00:04:45,810 a lot of different things authored many 99 00:04:51,860 --> 00:04:48,479 different books he has he worked for 100 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:51,870 with the Enquirer and I will say that 101 00:04:55,850 --> 00:04:53,490 back in the day the Enquirer actually 102 00:04:58,850 --> 00:04:55,860 did publish them very interesting some 103 00:04:59,839 --> 00:04:58,860 very great articles on UFOs we'll talk 104 00:05:02,420 --> 00:04:59,849 about that a little bit 105 00:05:04,459 --> 00:05:02,430 he has longest-running effort at the 106 00:05:07,820 --> 00:05:04,469 newsstand publication was UFO universe 107 00:05:09,350 --> 00:05:07,830 which went on for 11 years he is 108 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:09,360 president of the inner light global 109 00:05:14,570 --> 00:05:11,490 communications editor the conspiracy 110 00:05:16,610 --> 00:05:14,580 Journal and bizarre bizarre and has been 111 00:05:18,770 --> 00:05:16,620 in this subject since he was he's been 112 00:05:20,540 --> 00:05:18,780 passionate about it since he was a child 113 00:05:23,740 --> 00:05:20,550 he said out-of-body experiences 114 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:23,750 paranormal experiences UFO sightings 115 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:27,210 Nancy Byrnes editor of the UFO magazine 116 00:05:31,610 --> 00:05:29,250 described him as the Hunter Thompson of 117 00:05:35,060 --> 00:05:31,620 ufology he has written many books 118 00:05:38,150 --> 00:05:35,070 including with topics like mj-12 119 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:38,160 and it underground faces all sorts of 120 00:05:43,460 --> 00:05:40,770 Nazis and UFOs all sorts of great things 121 00:05:45,230 --> 00:05:43,470 I will be posting links to his work but 122 00:05:47,420 --> 00:05:45,240 I have to say that it's been a pleasure 123 00:05:49,820 --> 00:05:47,430 getting to know him and Tim thank you 124 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:49,830 for coming on the show you have to say 125 00:05:58,820 --> 00:05:53,810 you your life what haven't you done 126 00:06:01,400 --> 00:05:58,830 robbed a bank that's comforting the 127 00:06:03,860 --> 00:06:01,410 night's still young the only thing I 128 00:06:09,350 --> 00:06:03,870 could think of it the it's such a quick 129 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:09,360 quick no I I guess I have a one 130 00:06:13,220 --> 00:06:11,250 statement that I've had so many 131 00:06:15,290 --> 00:06:13,230 occupations that even my girlfriend 132 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:15,300 doesn't know what I do for a living but 133 00:06:20,210 --> 00:06:16,650 I don't have a girlfriend so that turns 134 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:20,220 out to be a total lie at the at the 135 00:06:25,730 --> 00:06:22,110 moment no I I guess I've done a lot of 136 00:06:29,450 --> 00:06:25,740 things you know I started in this I had 137 00:06:32,540 --> 00:06:29,460 a UFO sighting when I was 10 years old 138 00:06:35,180 --> 00:06:32,550 I sound like a tape recorder saying this 139 00:06:37,940 --> 00:06:35,190 because I'm told so many times it was a 140 00:06:41,390 --> 00:06:37,950 warm summer night in July or August 141 00:06:44,390 --> 00:06:41,400 would have been around 1957 and in those 142 00:06:46,550 --> 00:06:44,400 days we nobody had any air conditioner 143 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:46,560 or a few people did so we would set out 144 00:06:51,530 --> 00:06:50,010 on the front stoop into it until it you 145 00:06:54,050 --> 00:06:51,540 know cooled off and then you could go 146 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:54,060 inside and I guess we were there with a 147 00:07:00,020 --> 00:06:56,810 couple of neighbors and my mother was 148 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:00,030 sitting on the stairs and somebody came 149 00:07:05,390 --> 00:07:03,210 running up to where we were and said 150 00:07:08,420 --> 00:07:05,400 take a look at these objects in the sky 151 00:07:12,740 --> 00:07:08,430 now there were two objects they were 152 00:07:16,010 --> 00:07:12,750 brightly lit I would say craft but I 153 00:07:19,910 --> 00:07:16,020 didn't see like any portholes or landing 154 00:07:22,460 --> 00:07:19,920 gear or their whole of the ship but they 155 00:07:25,010 --> 00:07:22,470 were too too brightly lit on lights I 156 00:07:26,780 --> 00:07:25,020 would say about maybe 30 40 feet in 157 00:07:32,110 --> 00:07:26,790 diameter they were up above the cloud 158 00:07:34,580 --> 00:07:32,120 layer one was a over a an abandoned 159 00:07:36,740 --> 00:07:34,590 factory building across the street and 160 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:36,750 the other one was almost directly above 161 00:07:42,410 --> 00:07:39,690 the the house we were seated on the 162 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:42,420 front porch this was in New Brunswick 163 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:44,850 New Jersey where I was born and raised 164 00:07:49,070 --> 00:07:48,090 and the objects they kept they kept 165 00:07:50,809 --> 00:07:49,080 circling overhead 166 00:07:53,119 --> 00:07:50,819 the one that was across the street over 167 00:07:56,059 --> 00:07:53,129 in the factory building would come and 168 00:07:58,189 --> 00:07:56,069 just change positions with the one that 169 00:08:02,240 --> 00:07:58,199 was over the house and vice versa and 170 00:08:05,149 --> 00:08:02,250 this one on I guess we're about maybe 171 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:05,159 fifteen minutes or so now of course 172 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:08,250 there was no sound associated with it 173 00:08:14,350 --> 00:08:11,250 they was dead silent there were not I 174 00:08:18,170 --> 00:08:14,360 would say maybe a half a dozen witnesses 175 00:08:20,059 --> 00:08:18,180 to this and then finally we just kind of 176 00:08:21,559 --> 00:08:20,069 I guess lost interest and if they 177 00:08:24,559 --> 00:08:21,569 weren't doing anything 178 00:08:26,899 --> 00:08:24,569 monumental the one across the street it 179 00:08:28,850 --> 00:08:26,909 just blinked out like somebody had 180 00:08:32,509 --> 00:08:28,860 pulled the light switch any other word 181 00:08:34,100 --> 00:08:32,519 and continued the circle up ahead but we 182 00:08:37,130 --> 00:08:34,110 went into the you know went into the 183 00:08:38,870 --> 00:08:37,140 house by that time now the next day 184 00:08:41,509 --> 00:08:38,880 there was a little item in the newspaper 185 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:41,519 a couple of days later to the effect 186 00:08:45,380 --> 00:08:43,289 that the authorities had said that there 187 00:08:48,980 --> 00:08:45,390 were other sightings but it was nothing 188 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:48,990 more than a weather balloon well I knew 189 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:52,110 even at the age of ten that this was 190 00:08:56,329 --> 00:08:53,490 something that seemed to be under 191 00:08:58,670 --> 00:08:56,339 intelligent control and you know after 192 00:09:01,819 --> 00:08:58,680 all these years the planet Venus always 193 00:09:04,010 --> 00:09:01,829 gets accused of being a UFO and weather 194 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:04,020 balloons well you know I don't know if 195 00:09:08,090 --> 00:09:05,850 I've ever seen a weather balloon I mean 196 00:09:10,310 --> 00:09:08,100 I've seen party balloons you know people 197 00:09:13,670 --> 00:09:10,320 send up in the air during celebrate a 198 00:09:15,560 --> 00:09:13,680 sweet 16 birthday or something but 199 00:09:16,010 --> 00:09:15,570 unless you're near a weather station or 200 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:16,020 something 201 00:09:21,079 --> 00:09:17,490 what's your chance is a single weather 202 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:21,089 balloon I would say pretty darn no I 203 00:09:26,090 --> 00:09:23,970 don't know they're supposed to be I mean 204 00:09:27,949 --> 00:09:26,100 they should be flying at an altitude 205 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:27,959 that you they shouldn't be visible to 206 00:09:34,519 --> 00:09:31,170 human eyes that's that's that's correct 207 00:09:37,790 --> 00:09:34,529 I mean any any idiot can probably tell a 208 00:09:38,930 --> 00:09:37,800 a weather weather balloon but so it 209 00:09:43,250 --> 00:09:38,940 wasn't weather balloon 210 00:09:46,340 --> 00:09:43,260 okay so I've started writing in those 211 00:09:48,290 --> 00:09:46,350 days every town had a newspaper how 212 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:48,300 about that you can't here I am in New 213 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:50,370 York City and you got to walk 10 blocks 214 00:09:55,310 --> 00:09:52,529 to find an actual physical newspaper 215 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:55,320 these things believe it or not okay so 216 00:10:02,269 --> 00:09:57,930 every town had a newspaper so I started 217 00:10:03,049 --> 00:10:02,279 writing letters to the editor and you 218 00:10:05,509 --> 00:10:03,059 know talking 219 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:05,519 about UFOs and asking if other people 220 00:10:09,439 --> 00:10:07,649 had had sightings and so forth and so on 221 00:10:14,689 --> 00:10:09,449 and they printed the letters and I 222 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:14,699 started getting some feedback and around 223 00:10:20,869 --> 00:10:18,569 14 years old I went out I had saved some 224 00:10:22,729 --> 00:10:20,879 money and those days you could put if 225 00:10:24,949 --> 00:10:22,739 you were going to like a grade school 226 00:10:26,209 --> 00:10:24,959 you could put 50 cents in the bank a 227 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:26,219 week they were they were teaching 228 00:10:29,329 --> 00:10:28,049 children how to save money ere here 229 00:10:30,949 --> 00:10:29,339 could you imagine that can you imagine 230 00:10:35,749 --> 00:10:30,959 going to a bank today and trying to put 231 00:10:38,239 --> 00:10:35,759 in 50 cents well there you go anyway you 232 00:10:41,659 --> 00:10:38,249 had okay so I had saved up maybe about 233 00:10:44,419 --> 00:10:41,669 350 400 dollars I went out and I started 234 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:44,429 my career I bought a Gazette near 235 00:10:51,889 --> 00:10:48,689 mimeograph machine and I published the 236 00:10:54,529 --> 00:10:51,899 interplanetary News Service report Jerry 237 00:10:56,539 --> 00:10:54,539 Clark who of course a years later was 238 00:10:58,759 --> 00:10:56,549 one of the editors of fate magazine and 239 00:11:01,789 --> 00:10:58,769 worked on over at the Center for UFO 240 00:11:03,979 --> 00:11:01,799 studies typed my stencils I don't know 241 00:11:05,899 --> 00:11:03,989 if he likes it I don't know if he likes 242 00:11:08,809 --> 00:11:05,909 to admit that or not but we were one big 243 00:11:12,589 --> 00:11:08,819 gang of teenagers in those days there 244 00:11:14,359 --> 00:11:12,599 was a teenage UFO groups and there 245 00:11:17,119 --> 00:11:14,369 people like Jean Steinberg who still has 246 00:11:20,029 --> 00:11:17,129 the pot up parrot cast and some of the 247 00:11:22,849 --> 00:11:20,039 other Ric hilberg out of Cleveland I did 248 00:11:25,249 --> 00:11:22,859 Allen Greenfield down in Atlanta they're 249 00:11:29,569 --> 00:11:25,259 still around we started out when we were 250 00:11:32,059 --> 00:11:29,579 you know 16 and 17 and now were 70 but 251 00:11:33,529 --> 00:11:32,069 we you know we stuck it with it so I 252 00:11:36,019 --> 00:11:33,539 went out and I bought this mimeograph 253 00:11:39,409 --> 00:11:36,029 machine and started putting out a little 254 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:39,419 newsletter it was ten pages long and had 255 00:11:46,429 --> 00:11:43,049 a subscription to begin with of 75 256 00:11:49,129 --> 00:11:46,439 people well by time I gave these 257 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:49,139 subscriptions over the Jim Mosley I had 258 00:11:55,849 --> 00:11:52,889 a readership of about 1,500 which was 259 00:11:59,179 --> 00:11:55,859 about as many members as appro had 260 00:12:01,189 --> 00:11:59,189 actually and we had a Board of Directors 261 00:12:03,049 --> 00:12:01,199 made up of other UFO researchers and 262 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:03,059 people from all over the world we're 263 00:12:11,329 --> 00:12:07,769 contributing in the the information and 264 00:12:13,429 --> 00:12:11,339 it was a rather crudely done publication 265 00:12:15,979 --> 00:12:13,439 I mean it was typed on a typewriter and 266 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:15,989 if you ever saw a mimeograph publication 267 00:12:19,580 --> 00:12:17,010 and you know the 268 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:19,590 has kind of got some prints on it in 269 00:12:24,380 --> 00:12:22,170 fact my my mother threw me out onto the 270 00:12:27,130 --> 00:12:24,390 back porch because the kitchen looked 271 00:12:29,510 --> 00:12:27,140 like a crime scene except that the big 272 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:29,520 instead of the fingerprints being red 273 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:30,690 you know like in blood 274 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:32,250 they were black finger prints from the 275 00:12:37,370 --> 00:12:33,930 ink all over the refrigerator in the 276 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:37,380 kitchen cabinets and and all that it was 277 00:12:42,350 --> 00:12:40,530 a job because there was no Kinkos or you 278 00:12:44,630 --> 00:12:42,360 know any of these places you got a you 279 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:44,640 had to take out the ironing board and 280 00:12:49,100 --> 00:12:47,370 put the stacks of paper we ended up the 281 00:12:50,570 --> 00:12:49,110 newsletter was like 40 pages long so 282 00:12:53,540 --> 00:12:50,580 that's 20 sheets of paper 283 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:53,550 you got to collate it and staple it and 284 00:12:58,790 --> 00:12:55,770 what a job that was but it was a 285 00:13:02,060 --> 00:12:58,800 worthwhile effort I mean there are some 286 00:13:03,740 --> 00:13:02,070 articles in there I look back and once 287 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:03,750 in a while I'll grab an old article in 288 00:13:08,180 --> 00:13:06,450 reprint it because people from 50 years 289 00:13:10,820 --> 00:13:08,190 ago unfortunately here and some of them 290 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:10,830 or most of them are not around anymore 291 00:13:17,210 --> 00:13:14,370 and and that that began my publishing a 292 00:13:19,910 --> 00:13:17,220 career and then I went to work for Jim 293 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:19,920 Mosely he was known as the I guess the 294 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:23,250 trickster of ufology he and the grave 295 00:13:28,370 --> 00:13:25,770 worker who had a caesarian press always 296 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:28,380 we're doing a little of pranks and stuff 297 00:13:34,370 --> 00:13:31,890 they had created a hoax letter the 298 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:34,380 Straits letter that was signed by an 299 00:13:39,170 --> 00:13:37,290 official government stationery and they 300 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:39,180 sent it to George Adamski making him 301 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:41,250 believe that the State Department was 302 00:13:47,030 --> 00:13:43,650 supporting his contact claims you know 303 00:13:49,100 --> 00:13:47,040 it childish stuff but people considered 304 00:13:51,830 --> 00:13:49,110 him like a you know a big prankster he 305 00:13:54,020 --> 00:13:51,840 and gray barker so I want to work for 306 00:13:57,650 --> 00:13:54,030 Jim and I started coming into New York 307 00:13:59,870 --> 00:13:57,660 commuting every day and I ended up being 308 00:14:02,870 --> 00:13:59,880 a stringer like you say for The Inquirer 309 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:02,880 and over the years I've edited something 310 00:14:08,210 --> 00:14:05,010 like 30 different newsstand magazines 311 00:14:10,670 --> 00:14:08,220 most of which never lasted for more than 312 00:14:13,790 --> 00:14:10,680 a couple of issues I was the editor of 313 00:14:15,740 --> 00:14:13,800 magazines like front-page disasters 314 00:14:18,020 --> 00:14:15,750 which I actually enjoyed doing because 315 00:14:19,670 --> 00:14:18,030 we always threw in something that was a 316 00:14:22,190 --> 00:14:19,680 little strange like you know planes 317 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:22,200 disappearing in the Bermuda Triangle or 318 00:14:30,950 --> 00:14:28,290 a battalion of Army soldiers 319 00:14:32,810 --> 00:14:30,960 disappearing into a bank of clouds 320 00:14:34,850 --> 00:14:32,820 never being seen again we always manage 321 00:14:38,630 --> 00:14:34,860 to sneak in something that was just a 322 00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:38,640 little bit you know unusual and then I 323 00:14:43,490 --> 00:14:42,000 put out the UFO a UFO review which was 324 00:14:45,740 --> 00:14:43,500 the world's only flying saucer a 325 00:14:49,310 --> 00:14:45,750 newspaper that had a circulation of 326 00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:49,320 about 35,000 that was you know there's 327 00:14:52,670 --> 00:14:50,880 no magazine today that even has that 328 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:52,680 kind of sir there's no magazines anymore 329 00:14:58,760 --> 00:14:55,530 but even in those days that was one of 330 00:15:00,680 --> 00:14:58,770 the leading you know publications so and 331 00:15:02,330 --> 00:15:00,690 then I had the occult Center the New 332 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:02,340 York School LeCompte Arts and Sciences 333 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:04,730 which was one of the first metaphysical 334 00:15:10,970 --> 00:15:06,930 centers in the country we had speakers 335 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:10,980 and woody derenberger and gosh knows all 336 00:15:15,650 --> 00:15:13,890 the Dan fry and all the contactees who 337 00:15:20,810 --> 00:15:15,660 were pretty big in those days it would 338 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:20,820 make the rounds and then I also promoted 339 00:15:25,010 --> 00:15:22,650 rock'n'roll show some limited things 340 00:15:27,620 --> 00:15:25,020 like the New York Dolls the harlots of 341 00:15:29,930 --> 00:15:27,630 42nd Street the magic cramps and Satan 342 00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:29,940 the fire-eater which is where kiss got 343 00:15:36,290 --> 00:15:33,600 their act from okay that's my career in 344 00:15:38,210 --> 00:15:36,300 a that's what I did 40 years ago now you 345 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:38,220 want to know what I do today what you 346 00:15:42,050 --> 00:15:40,290 know I do and I think there's some 347 00:15:44,930 --> 00:15:42,060 interesting things in between there that 348 00:15:46,670 --> 00:15:44,940 we should talk about know I think you 349 00:15:49,010 --> 00:15:46,680 know a lot of the younger people that 350 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:49,020 are getting into this don't understand 351 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:51,330 you know Jim Mosley and gray Barker and 352 00:15:56,780 --> 00:15:53,490 who some of these these people were that 353 00:15:58,070 --> 00:15:56,790 made a big impact and focus you could 354 00:15:58,780 --> 00:15:58,080 explain a little bit about them that 355 00:16:02,450 --> 00:15:58,790 would be awesome 356 00:16:06,260 --> 00:16:02,460 okay well the the originator I I think 357 00:16:08,780 --> 00:16:06,270 the the gentleman who is accused and we 358 00:16:11,870 --> 00:16:08,790 can use that in quotes of having 359 00:16:17,270 --> 00:16:11,880 invented the Flying Saucer mystery was 360 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:17,280 Ray Palmer who I did a column for but he 361 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:20,130 was the original publisher of fate 362 00:16:24,980 --> 00:16:21,810 magazine and along with the Curtis 363 00:16:29,630 --> 00:16:24,990 Fuller but let me go back a little bit 364 00:16:33,500 --> 00:16:29,640 to the I guess to the mid 1940s a little 365 00:16:38,660 --> 00:16:33,510 bit before I was born but around the the 366 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:38,670 time that I I came about science fiction 367 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:42,530 was big in in those days and Ray Palmer 368 00:16:47,710 --> 00:16:44,730 was the editor 369 00:16:50,210 --> 00:16:47,720 a magazine called amazing stories 370 00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:50,220 amazing stories was a cheaply published 371 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:52,560 little pulp magazine that sold for 372 00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:56,490 quarter and it had a futuristic stories 373 00:17:01,759 --> 00:16:58,800 it was all supposed to be science 374 00:17:06,439 --> 00:17:01,769 fiction there was nothing you know 375 00:17:08,270 --> 00:17:06,449 remotely paranormal about it although 376 00:17:09,439 --> 00:17:08,280 later on like I say he did starts a 377 00:17:12,890 --> 00:17:09,449 magazine 378 00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:12,900 one day while he mr Palmer was out of 379 00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:17,520 the office the assistant editor opened 380 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:20,640 up was opening up the mail and there was 381 00:17:26,419 --> 00:17:23,850 a manuscript in there written by a fella 382 00:17:28,909 --> 00:17:26,429 by the name of a Richard shaver now 383 00:17:31,820 --> 00:17:28,919 Richard shaver claimed that there was an 384 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:31,830 ancient civilization that had visited 385 00:17:40,669 --> 00:17:37,410 earth and had constructed large cities 386 00:17:45,140 --> 00:17:40,679 underneath the you know earthen caverns 387 00:17:46,850 --> 00:17:45,150 and that this civilization was made up 388 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:46,860 well of people I guess it had once lived 389 00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:48,210 on the surface but they moved 390 00:17:54,169 --> 00:17:50,580 underground because of the radio 391 00:17:57,710 --> 00:17:54,179 activity from the the Sun and over the 392 00:17:59,390 --> 00:17:57,720 centuries they had become very demented 393 00:18:01,220 --> 00:17:59,400 and he claimed that he was hearing 394 00:18:03,530 --> 00:18:01,230 voices and that there were death rays 395 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:03,540 and and all this weird stuff going on 396 00:18:08,090 --> 00:18:06,090 and for he talked about Atlantis and 397 00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:08,100 lost continents and and in spaceships 398 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:11,120 and Ray Palmer for some obscure reason 399 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:14,370 decided to publish the manuscript now 400 00:18:19,460 --> 00:18:17,250 shame for who I had my own 401 00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:19,470 correspondence with years later was not 402 00:18:24,980 --> 00:18:22,080 a very good writer and in those days if 403 00:18:28,130 --> 00:18:24,990 you work for the pulp magazines you got 404 00:18:30,140 --> 00:18:28,140 paid anywhere from a half a cent to two 405 00:18:31,490 --> 00:18:30,150 pennies of word which actually is more 406 00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:31,500 than you get paid today have a thing 407 00:18:39,140 --> 00:18:35,520 with but he published a series of these 408 00:18:41,900 --> 00:18:39,150 articles and people started writing in a 409 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:41,910 telling of their similar experiences of 410 00:18:46,430 --> 00:18:44,010 seeing strange things in the sky now 411 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:46,440 this again was before Kenneth Arnold's 412 00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:48,570 sighting but they reported seeing a 413 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:51,360 strange say as things of the sky hearing 414 00:18:55,940 --> 00:18:53,370 weird voices communicating with 415 00:18:58,730 --> 00:18:55,950 different entities and so forth however 416 00:19:01,250 --> 00:18:58,740 it got to the point where 417 00:19:03,710 --> 00:19:01,260 the science fiction of people who had 418 00:19:06,340 --> 00:19:03,720 originally supported the magazine and 419 00:19:10,370 --> 00:19:06,350 who the publication was supposedly being 420 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:10,380 put out for got on a letter-writing 421 00:19:15,290 --> 00:19:12,810 campaign to the publishers if Davis 422 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:15,300 complaining that the magazine was being 423 00:19:20,300 --> 00:19:17,490 taken over by a bunch of lunatics and 424 00:19:21,650 --> 00:19:20,310 they didn't like this now Erica if you 425 00:19:24,890 --> 00:19:21,660 know anything about the science fiction 426 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:24,900 field science fiction people totally 427 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:28,650 have a disdain for UFOs I mean there is 428 00:19:35,900 --> 00:19:32,570 just no camaraderie there whatsoever and 429 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:35,910 the reason being is that the science 430 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:39,330 fiction crowd which is my opinion are a 431 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:42,690 bunch of non figures have been told by 432 00:19:50,300 --> 00:19:46,770 their leaders like a sekai zijn wolf and 433 00:19:52,570 --> 00:19:50,310 arthur c clarke that there is nothing to 434 00:19:55,370 --> 00:19:52,580 the subject at all that it's all 435 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:55,380 fraudulent and made-up and there are no 436 00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:58,290 aliens coming here from other planets 437 00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:01,440 and if these people made a statement it 438 00:20:06,260 --> 00:20:04,320 was taken as gospel so the science 439 00:20:09,170 --> 00:20:06,270 fiction people just totally disliked and 440 00:20:11,930 --> 00:20:09,180 I had total distaste for the UFO people 441 00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:11,940 and UFO people as a rule although there 442 00:20:16,210 --> 00:20:14,160 might be some people who like Star Trek 443 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:16,220 and I know I've seen Close Encounters 444 00:20:22,430 --> 00:20:19,530 you know six or seven times for the most 445 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:22,440 part there is no interlocking 446 00:20:29,420 --> 00:20:27,450 relationship between the two fields so 447 00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:29,430 Palmer felt that he had to go out and 448 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:32,400 and and start a magazine on his on his 449 00:20:39,770 --> 00:20:38,130 own so he put out fate magazine but he 450 00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:39,780 did it under a different name Curtis 451 00:20:44,690 --> 00:20:42,660 Fuller was one of the publishers he had 452 00:20:47,390 --> 00:20:44,700 also been from the Chicago area and 453 00:20:48,890 --> 00:20:47,400 worked on pulp magazines there but Ray 454 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:48,900 Palmer used a different name because he 455 00:20:52,610 --> 00:20:50,610 was still working for since Davis and he 456 00:20:54,740 --> 00:20:52,620 didn't want to know I want them to know 457 00:20:56,900 --> 00:20:54,750 that he was moonlighting 458 00:20:59,180 --> 00:20:56,910 so a fake magazine that continued to 459 00:21:01,670 --> 00:20:59,190 publish some of the shaver articles and 460 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:01,680 once the Kenneth Arnold their sighting 461 00:21:06,980 --> 00:21:05,310 took place on June 24 1947 they actually 462 00:21:09,140 --> 00:21:06,990 even had Kenneth Arnold there write an 463 00:21:11,540 --> 00:21:09,150 article for the magazine which is in 464 00:21:12,090 --> 00:21:11,550 their first issue of fake that was 465 00:21:16,590 --> 00:21:12,100 published 466 00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:16,600 19:48 and over the years Ray Palmer 467 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:20,559 became a III I guess one of the leading 468 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:22,330 of they're the only publisher major 469 00:21:26,970 --> 00:21:25,210 publisher in the in the field and in 470 00:21:29,549 --> 00:21:26,980 addition to fate magazine he had 471 00:21:31,230 --> 00:21:29,559 spin-off publications called flying 472 00:21:35,250 --> 00:21:31,240 saucers from other worlds mystic 473 00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:35,260 magazine forum hidden worlds and so 474 00:21:41,460 --> 00:21:39,039 forth and I enjoyed the magazine so much 475 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:41,470 it was fairly difficult to do to 476 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:43,450 purchase you kind of really had a hunt 477 00:21:48,690 --> 00:21:47,110 for it it was 35 cents in those days it 478 00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:48,700 started out yes there can you imagine 479 00:21:56,460 --> 00:21:54,400 imagine no now I know I paid $11.50 for 480 00:21:58,140 --> 00:21:56,470 the 14 times right you know I mean 481 00:22:01,409 --> 00:21:58,150 that's that's about that's about the 482 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:01,419 only thing that's in English anymore 483 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:03,730 that is available on you know in Boren's 484 00:22:07,860 --> 00:22:05,770 and Noble so I wrote a column I said I'm 485 00:22:09,630 --> 00:22:07,870 writing a column for a Palmer called on 486 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:09,640 the trail of the flying saucers 487 00:22:16,770 --> 00:22:12,690 and and that kind of just started my 488 00:22:18,830 --> 00:22:16,780 professional publishing career you know 489 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:18,840 writing that would have been in about 490 00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:23,890 1965 or so and and I've been doing it in 491 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:27,039 one form or another you know over the 492 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:29,530 years I was one of the few people before 493 00:22:34,590 --> 00:22:31,450 there was with Lee Schreiber or Budd 494 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:34,600 Hopkins I was I was on the trail and the 495 00:22:40,260 --> 00:22:36,370 flying saucers I traveled all over the 496 00:22:42,299 --> 00:22:40,270 country at my own expense and and did 497 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:42,309 some lecturing and went on radio and TV 498 00:22:49,260 --> 00:22:45,730 shows I was one of the few people that 499 00:22:54,270 --> 00:22:49,270 was not a contact D who was talking up 500 00:22:57,419 --> 00:22:54,280 the the the subject well I you have had 501 00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,429 such an interesting ad multi-dimensional 502 00:23:01,500 --> 00:22:59,200 life I mean you've had all these 503 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:01,510 different careers and experiences and 504 00:23:06,330 --> 00:23:03,730 you've met some really interesting 505 00:23:09,090 --> 00:23:06,340 characters along the way and I wish you 506 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:09,100 know I mean Palmer and and Mosley and 507 00:23:15,690 --> 00:23:11,650 gray Barker I'm sure that was and keeled 508 00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:15,700 you know I mean it's like olive oil was 509 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:18,640 a neighbor of mine and in fact I go to 510 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:20,530 the movies every week down here it keeps 511 00:23:24,810 --> 00:23:22,090 Bay and he lived in the apartment 512 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:24,820 building upstairs so he was a late-night 513 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:25,810 or a 514 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:27,730 like I was and I'd go over there in the 515 00:23:32,610 --> 00:23:29,530 in the evening and we just sit around 516 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:32,620 and chat and and you know I didn't take 517 00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:34,450 notes and a lot of times we just 518 00:23:38,940 --> 00:23:36,310 bullshitting about stuff that doesn't 519 00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:38,950 really have anything to do with with the 520 00:23:44,460 --> 00:23:41,200 UFOs I we used to go to the movies 521 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:44,470 together and eat alone it was not a 522 00:23:48,180 --> 00:23:46,450 would I hear that music so that means 523 00:23:50,010 --> 00:23:48,190 we've got to go to break we should know 524 00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:50,020 better for naughty I mean I'm here with 525 00:24:00,360 --> 00:23:51,760 Tim Beck we're gonna take a break and we 526 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:00,370 will be right back UFO classified with 527 00:24:05,490 --> 00:24:03,730 Erica Luke's where the truth isn't 528 00:24:06,090 --> 00:24:05,500 hidden beneath the black lines of a 529 00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:06,100 sharpie 530 00:24:16,140 --> 00:24:12,870 to be on with Erica call seven zero two 531 00:24:19,670 --> 00:24:16,150 four two five nine two three zero at 532 00:24:22,860 --> 00:24:19,680 7:02 four to five ninety two thirty 533 00:24:26,670 --> 00:24:22,870 worldwide colors use Skype name Casey Oh 534 00:24:30,890 --> 00:24:26,680 our radio share your thoughts on the 535 00:24:34,980 --> 00:24:30,900 show on twitter by using hashtag kco are 536 00:24:39,660 --> 00:24:34,990 more over to the live chat at KCUR 537 00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:39,670 radio.com and now your host of UFO 538 00:24:44,259 --> 00:24:40,710 classified 539 00:24:46,570 --> 00:24:44,269 Erica Luc's Erica who's 540 00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,580 welcome back to UFO classified I want to 541 00:24:50,289 --> 00:24:48,080 give a shout-out to all my friends in 542 00:24:52,389 --> 00:24:50,299 chat a special thanks to northern UFOs 543 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:52,399 for all of your support getting things 544 00:24:58,539 --> 00:24:55,369 on YouTube and all of you that have 545 00:25:01,180 --> 00:24:58,549 become patrons to support the show I 546 00:25:04,330 --> 00:25:01,190 really really appreciate it it means the 547 00:25:06,879 --> 00:25:04,340 world to me that you donate and help 548 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:06,889 keep the show on the air it's it I thank 549 00:25:11,259 --> 00:25:08,450 you very much from the bottom of my 550 00:25:13,690 --> 00:25:11,269 heart I want to also thank Tina Marie 551 00:25:15,639 --> 00:25:13,700 who was an incredible station manager 552 00:25:17,739 --> 00:25:15,649 and she keeps track of me and produces a 553 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:17,749 great show and I mean honestly she 554 00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:19,490 should her paychecks should be much 555 00:25:23,529 --> 00:25:21,289 higher I'm telling you just to keep 556 00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,539 track of me and my goings ons behind the 557 00:25:26,649 --> 00:25:25,279 scenes as you're out in fact I'll have 558 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:26,659 to have Tina on the show and we can talk 559 00:25:31,389 --> 00:25:28,610 about some of our special moments off 560 00:25:33,009 --> 00:25:31,399 off the air that would be fabulous but 561 00:25:37,570 --> 00:25:33,019 I'm here tonight with somebody who also 562 00:25:38,830 --> 00:25:37,580 has a show on K cor and it is it's fun 563 00:25:41,889 --> 00:25:38,840 I've been on it before lots of 564 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:41,899 interesting people Tim Green Beckley 565 00:25:46,899 --> 00:25:43,970 Timothy green Begley has been described 566 00:25:48,399 --> 00:25:46,909 as the Hunter Thompson of ufology in in 567 00:25:51,249 --> 00:25:48,409 the horror world he's known as mr. 568 00:25:53,619 --> 00:25:51,259 Creepo and I think that you know you've 569 00:25:58,869 --> 00:25:53,629 probably got some other names out there 570 00:26:04,090 --> 00:25:58,879 to describe you oh it's it I'm sure I do 571 00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,100 ya know dad well you know ufology is 572 00:26:09,310 --> 00:26:06,320 kind of a a mixed bag yeah if people 573 00:26:11,259 --> 00:26:09,320 don't agree with you know your 574 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:11,269 philosophy and I don't know if 575 00:26:17,379 --> 00:26:13,850 necessarily have a you know I'm not a 576 00:26:19,090 --> 00:26:17,389 deeply embedded into anything I mean 577 00:26:21,210 --> 00:26:19,100 there are some things that I believe 578 00:26:23,649 --> 00:26:21,220 more heavily and - than others like 579 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:23,659 people always want to chat me about 580 00:26:30,820 --> 00:26:28,369 Roswell and I don't know as if I as far 581 00:26:32,169 --> 00:26:30,830 as I'm concerned I don't think that 582 00:26:33,820 --> 00:26:32,179 there is a heck of a lot of evidence 583 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:33,830 that Roswell was an extraterrestrial 584 00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:37,970 craft now something did obviously happen 585 00:26:43,539 --> 00:26:42,169 there in July of 1947 perhaps I land it 586 00:26:46,899 --> 00:26:43,549 because it was just around my birthday 587 00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,909 when I was born and they could they 588 00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:48,320 couldn't they could have just you know 589 00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:50,720 heave me out of the the ship or 590 00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,080 something like that and but I I've felt 591 00:26:57,970 --> 00:26:56,240 over the years that some of these UFO 592 00:27:00,250 --> 00:26:57,980 crashes and some 593 00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:00,260 the UFO events that took place were 594 00:27:06,340 --> 00:27:02,960 actually manipulated on the part of the 595 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:06,350 government oh oh say it isn't so yeah 596 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:11,330 okay well I believe now that you know in 597 00:27:16,530 --> 00:27:14,090 nineteen after world war two the the 598 00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:16,540 government brought over all these 599 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:21,710 basically former Nazis from Germany who 600 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:24,730 were scientists and who were working on 601 00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:27,770 rocket propulsion and God knows what 602 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:30,110 other kinds of forms of propulsion and 603 00:27:36,940 --> 00:27:34,370 they were testing rockets and vehicles 604 00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:36,950 and other kinds of craft in that part of 605 00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:40,820 the country and III think there's a good 606 00:27:49,140 --> 00:27:44,480 possibility that one of these craft 607 00:27:52,570 --> 00:27:49,150 crashed in Roswell perhaps as some 608 00:27:55,419 --> 00:27:52,580 exotic vehicle we using some other 609 00:27:57,340 --> 00:27:55,429 propulsion system because now the 610 00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:57,350 Germans if you know the story of the 611 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:01,120 development of of flying discs they're 612 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:06,010 apparently going back as far as 1919 the 613 00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:12,410 German mediums actually five women nine 614 00:28:16,990 --> 00:28:14,960 women actually that were channeling 615 00:28:21,340 --> 00:28:17,000 information that purported to be from 616 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:21,350 another star system and this information 617 00:28:26,919 --> 00:28:24,650 had to do with propulsion UFO propulsion 618 00:28:30,460 --> 00:28:26,929 because then you calm your foes in those 619 00:28:32,919 --> 00:28:30,470 days and they were doing automatic 620 00:28:35,730 --> 00:28:32,929 writing and and writing this down and 621 00:28:40,750 --> 00:28:35,740 then turning the information over to the 622 00:28:44,169 --> 00:28:40,760 German Nazi scientists for developing 623 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:44,179 these craft which they were trying to 624 00:28:49,030 --> 00:28:46,850 turn into a weapons of mass destruction 625 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:49,040 so I believe that there's a good 626 00:28:54,010 --> 00:28:51,290 possibility that these objects this 627 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:54,020 object or objects have crashed outside 628 00:28:59,020 --> 00:28:56,570 of Roswell was one of these German built 629 00:29:01,840 --> 00:28:59,030 craft and the government would rather 630 00:29:03,370 --> 00:29:01,850 have you believe that they were from 631 00:29:05,289 --> 00:29:03,380 some other planet if you're going to 632 00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:05,299 believe in anything at all you should 633 00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:07,270 believe that ufos or extraterrestrial 634 00:29:11,769 --> 00:29:10,790 and not made here on this earth because 635 00:29:13,570 --> 00:29:11,779 they would 636 00:29:17,379 --> 00:29:13,580 have to admit that they were actually in 637 00:29:18,940 --> 00:29:17,389 collusion with these Nazi scientists 638 00:29:22,749 --> 00:29:18,950 butchers whatever you wanted to call him 639 00:29:27,299 --> 00:29:22,759 you know murderers some of them and and 640 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:27,309 so you know they they might have even 641 00:29:31,659 --> 00:29:30,049 were behind organizations like the 642 00:29:34,509 --> 00:29:31,669 National investigations committee at 643 00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:34,519 aerial phenomena which was major Kehoe's 644 00:29:42,430 --> 00:29:39,039 a group that first organized around 1950 645 00:29:45,549 --> 00:29:42,440 early 1950s in Washington DC and you 646 00:29:48,249 --> 00:29:45,559 know they were always had these reports 647 00:29:50,229 --> 00:29:48,259 by pilots and police officers and and 648 00:29:53,289 --> 00:29:50,239 push the extra-terrestrial theory that 649 00:29:55,570 --> 00:29:53,299 these things were from some other solar 650 00:29:57,459 --> 00:29:55,580 system but there was other evidence too 651 00:30:00,129 --> 00:29:57,469 that these things might have been under 652 00:30:03,219 --> 00:30:00,139 German and control now 653 00:30:04,869 --> 00:30:03,229 the Georgian George Adamski of course 654 00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:04,879 was probably is probably the most famous 655 00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:08,149 of all contactees and of course he's 656 00:30:13,149 --> 00:30:11,089 kind of held by the nuts and bolts 657 00:30:16,239 --> 00:30:13,159 people there series who follow just and 658 00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:16,249 and very low regard even though today 659 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:18,710 Ericka he still has a quite a following 660 00:30:23,529 --> 00:30:21,529 all over the all over the world I mean 661 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:23,539 he was the contactee that got the most 662 00:30:29,859 --> 00:30:26,809 attention and I guess if you were going 663 00:30:32,499 --> 00:30:29,869 to say believable perhaps the the most 664 00:30:34,869 --> 00:30:32,509 believable but if you investigate the 665 00:30:38,499 --> 00:30:34,879 history of his claims and I spent quite 666 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:38,509 a bit of time doing so in fact we have a 667 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:42,049 book called pioneers from space which is 668 00:30:48,579 --> 00:30:45,609 a reprint of a book that he did in about 669 00:30:50,289 --> 00:30:48,589 1945 before he claimed contact with the 670 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:50,299 earth on from the you know another 671 00:30:56,229 --> 00:30:53,450 planet now some people say well the the 672 00:30:58,709 --> 00:30:56,239 alien in that book was Jesus Christ and 673 00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:58,719 some people say well he just exchanged 674 00:31:04,239 --> 00:31:01,279 Jesus for a spaceman when that became 675 00:31:06,820 --> 00:31:04,249 more popular but Adamski was involved in 676 00:31:09,549 --> 00:31:06,830 the metaphysical scene in California 677 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:09,559 going back to the 1930s and this is 678 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:10,879 something that a lot of people don't 679 00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:14,210 realize and the George Adamski in groups 680 00:31:17,950 --> 00:31:15,830 and supporters have tried to sweep this 681 00:31:20,619 --> 00:31:17,960 fact under the cover 682 00:31:23,049 --> 00:31:20,629 he had a commune that's the best way I 683 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:23,059 can describe it in fact there's a long 684 00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:25,490 article in the Los Angeles newspaper 685 00:31:30,910 --> 00:31:29,360 from about 1935 in which he describes 686 00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:30,920 how he said trying to build this 687 00:31:36,190 --> 00:31:33,110 community and that they're going to have 688 00:31:38,770 --> 00:31:36,200 a rectal replica of the Great Pyramid on 689 00:31:41,710 --> 00:31:38,780 the on a property and then a couple of 690 00:31:44,650 --> 00:31:41,720 years later he was running the Tibetan 691 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:44,660 Tibetan Society and he put out a little 692 00:31:50,260 --> 00:31:48,170 booklet about his beliefs in Tibetan 693 00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:50,270 philosophy and claims that he actually 694 00:31:55,510 --> 00:31:53,840 spent years in Tibet as a student which 695 00:31:58,419 --> 00:31:55,520 I don't believe at all and there's no 696 00:32:01,060 --> 00:31:58,429 evidence to support that theory 697 00:32:02,919 --> 00:32:01,070 whatsoever but then little by little you 698 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:02,929 know the UFO started to take it and he 699 00:32:09,370 --> 00:32:07,850 added that to his his work and his 700 00:32:11,140 --> 00:32:09,380 knowledge and what he was trying to push 701 00:32:13,780 --> 00:32:11,150 now I do think that he had some 702 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:13,790 legitimate experiences like there was an 703 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:17,210 incidence in about 1947 where there were 704 00:32:22,690 --> 00:32:19,730 a group people that he was a short-order 705 00:32:24,910 --> 00:32:22,700 cook he had a little restaurant on the 706 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:24,920 hill up to mount going up to Mount 707 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:27,170 Palomar now he told people he was on 708 00:32:31,180 --> 00:32:28,850 Mount Palomar which gave the impression 709 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:31,190 that he was an astronomer or something 710 00:32:36,730 --> 00:32:33,970 but he really he really wasn't he was a 711 00:32:39,490 --> 00:32:36,740 chef in a little restaurant okay which 712 00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:39,500 was all right no problem with with that 713 00:32:42,669 --> 00:32:40,640 but they did have some legitimate 714 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:42,679 sightings and some of the early 715 00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:45,050 photographs I think were were you know 716 00:32:50,919 --> 00:32:48,470 real enough but the the K the incident 717 00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:50,929 that he's best known for was the one 718 00:32:56,020 --> 00:32:53,030 that happened I think was 1952 or 53 719 00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:56,030 where the object landed in the desert 720 00:33:00,640 --> 00:32:58,730 and he walked off towards it and eight 721 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:00,650 people watching through binoculars 722 00:33:07,450 --> 00:33:04,010 supposedly saw him communicate with this 723 00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:07,460 tall a good-looking Venusian with long 724 00:33:13,150 --> 00:33:09,200 blond hair and what are they you know 725 00:33:15,370 --> 00:33:13,160 the Nordic type of alien but here's the 726 00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:15,380 interesting a fact that Isis in with a 727 00:33:22,570 --> 00:33:19,550 German sorceress secrets George hunt 728 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:22,580 Williamson who actually had a background 729 00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:28,370 as a working for a Nazi organization but 730 00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:29,809 that's another story 731 00:33:36,340 --> 00:33:32,510 he took he took some plaster of Paris 732 00:33:39,010 --> 00:33:36,350 and where the spaceship had landed and 733 00:33:41,530 --> 00:33:39,020 the alien this would be 734 00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:41,540 that Adamski identified his war thought 735 00:33:46,990 --> 00:33:43,790 had left some impressions in the ground 736 00:33:49,210 --> 00:33:47,000 with the with the the boots that he had 737 00:33:50,770 --> 00:33:49,220 on and George Hutton Williamson came 738 00:33:53,980 --> 00:33:50,780 with the plaster of Paris and they made 739 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:53,990 an imprint of the other boots and lo and 740 00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:56,090 behold in the middle of the the plaster 741 00:34:03,340 --> 00:33:58,330 of Paris what do you have but a swastika 742 00:34:05,650 --> 00:34:03,350 now why would a Venusian a man from 743 00:34:09,070 --> 00:34:05,660 another planet who looked like one of 744 00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:09,080 the the German Aryan the types be 745 00:34:14,169 --> 00:34:11,960 wearing boots with a swastika in it and 746 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:14,179 if you look at a damn skis a book it's 747 00:34:20,380 --> 00:34:16,130 right there it's not something that I'm 748 00:34:22,990 --> 00:34:20,390 making uh I mean that that just is very 749 00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,000 very strange and also some of the early 750 00:34:28,450 --> 00:34:25,280 contactees a claim that they overheard 751 00:34:32,860 --> 00:34:28,460 the so called space people speaking in 752 00:34:35,980 --> 00:34:32,870 German well why would aliens come to 753 00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:35,990 earth you're more likely to speak you 754 00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:38,480 know ancient Atlantean or something like 755 00:34:42,730 --> 00:34:40,250 that why would you speak in in the 756 00:34:44,889 --> 00:34:42,740 old-fashioned German it just it doesn't 757 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:44,899 make sense so I think some of these 758 00:34:48,730 --> 00:34:46,970 these are crafts at least in the early 759 00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:48,740 days and even now that there was a 760 00:34:54,990 --> 00:34:51,760 spin-off of some other sort of 761 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:55,000 technology the secret space program 762 00:34:59,680 --> 00:34:57,770 where there is another former technology 763 00:35:01,840 --> 00:34:59,690 that's being used and perhaps maybe 764 00:35:03,850 --> 00:35:01,850 we've even established bases on the moon 765 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:03,860 and the public be damned that they 766 00:35:09,010 --> 00:35:05,450 should know about any of this stuff 767 00:35:12,190 --> 00:35:09,020 it's bizarre it's weird and it's crazy 768 00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:12,200 but you know I mean it's a it's a theory 769 00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:14,720 and it's it's workable because we really 770 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:16,310 don't have any evidence that these 771 00:35:22,750 --> 00:35:18,890 things are are extraterrestrial I mean 772 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:22,760 as far as I can tell you know and I 773 00:35:26,110 --> 00:35:24,050 think I mean you've brought up a lot of 774 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:26,120 great points and things that I found 775 00:35:29,890 --> 00:35:27,530 interesting over the years looking 776 00:35:31,630 --> 00:35:29,900 through my archives and seeing the way 777 00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:31,640 you know you look at the ads in some of 778 00:35:36,730 --> 00:35:34,190 these older UFO magazines and it's it's 779 00:35:39,580 --> 00:35:36,740 there there are religious factions there 780 00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:39,590 are you know there's political ideology 781 00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:40,910 and different things and then you hear 782 00:35:44,260 --> 00:35:42,950 about a damn ski and you hear about some 783 00:35:46,510 --> 00:35:44,270 of the people that were in play at the 784 00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:46,520 time and they have very interesting 785 00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:50,510 ideas and they were they were accused of 786 00:35:54,450 --> 00:35:52,020 being communists 787 00:35:58,380 --> 00:35:54,460 because they believed in a cashless 788 00:36:01,650 --> 00:35:58,390 society had talked about doing away with 789 00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:01,660 nuclear weapons the FBI actually kept 790 00:36:08,060 --> 00:36:05,230 kept tabs on these individuals because 791 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:08,070 they thought they were promoting 792 00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:11,290 socialism heaven forbid and and and and 793 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:14,280 and and communism so they were under the 794 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:18,730 the scrutiny of Jade Jagger Hoover now I 795 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:21,130 think our buddy and Nick Redford has 796 00:36:25,830 --> 00:36:23,890 even written we've touched on the 797 00:36:28,590 --> 00:36:25,840 subject before but I think he's even 798 00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:28,600 done maybe a book on some of this 799 00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:30,670 information that's been released under 800 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:34,240 the Freedom of Information Act and 801 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:36,010 that's kind of that's kind of 802 00:36:42,210 --> 00:36:38,770 preposterous I mean talk about a waste 803 00:36:44,910 --> 00:36:42,220 of funds to send you know there's 804 00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:44,920 there's your men in black you know what 805 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:46,960 are the FBI how'd it look like the 806 00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:49,810 stereotypical men in black right sitting 807 00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:51,790 in the audience taking it taking notes 808 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:53,710 while on the AFC's up there raving and 809 00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,730 ranting about going to Mars and Saturn I 810 00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,960 mean it is interesting but I want to ask 811 00:37:03,540 --> 00:37:00,640 him and you were you were involved in 812 00:37:06,450 --> 00:37:03,550 this but from you know your young life 813 00:37:09,260 --> 00:37:06,460 your adult young adult life on and you 814 00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:09,270 got into this and then you started 815 00:37:14,910 --> 00:37:11,880 associating with some very interesting 816 00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:14,920 colorful people did what point in time 817 00:37:20,010 --> 00:37:17,620 did you step back and say wait a minute 818 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:20,020 we're being fed a narrative that isn't 819 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:27,810 well you know okay now Jim Mosely who 820 00:37:32,610 --> 00:37:29,770 published sorcery news now at one point 821 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:32,620 he had a circulation of about ten 822 00:37:37,950 --> 00:37:35,650 thousand subscribers which in those days 823 00:37:39,390 --> 00:37:37,960 well that today there isn't a magazine 824 00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:39,400 that has ten thousand subscribers 825 00:37:44,670 --> 00:37:42,480 nowhere near it but he had a 826 00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:44,680 professional zine and you know how you 827 00:37:49,590 --> 00:37:47,710 got most of his subscribers what he used 828 00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,600 to appear on the long John show of 829 00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:51,520 course the long John you know was the 830 00:37:57,500 --> 00:37:54,460 originator of the all night a paranormal 831 00:38:02,540 --> 00:37:57,510 UFO talk show and long before our bell 832 00:38:04,780 --> 00:38:02,550 was around and he long term had a 833 00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:04,790 tremendous audience he was 834 00:38:12,340 --> 00:38:07,280 actually even though he broadcast at a 835 00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,350 wor in New York had a 5,000 watt station 836 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:14,480 the Clear Channel so that you can hear 837 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:17,570 him in 30 states and I know for a fact I 838 00:38:23,860 --> 00:38:19,610 was on the first time I was on Long John 839 00:38:26,650 --> 00:38:23,870 I got 400 letters well today if you get 840 00:38:29,860 --> 00:38:26,660 14 letters you're doing you're doing a 841 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:29,870 you know a good and he would also appear 842 00:38:35,770 --> 00:38:34,250 on a television talk shows he used to go 843 00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:35,780 on there was a fella by the name of 844 00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:40,060 Chuck McCann who had a show for children 845 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:44,230 with a like a Charlie McCarthy type uh 846 00:38:49,540 --> 00:38:47,930 dummy the toilet quiz act and he would 847 00:38:51,730 --> 00:38:49,550 go on there and he'd get postcards at 848 00:38:53,590 --> 00:38:51,740 all from from children you know there 849 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:53,600 were in like you know third grade or 850 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:55,490 something like that but in those days it 851 00:39:00,340 --> 00:38:57,050 was like two dollars to subscribe to the 852 00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,350 magazine so he built ups a subscription 853 00:39:04,930 --> 00:39:02,480 list and then I came along and I didn't 854 00:39:07,390 --> 00:39:04,940 want a staple and kool-aid anymore so he 855 00:39:10,780 --> 00:39:07,400 hired me as managing editor it took my 856 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:10,790 1500 subscribers and combined it with 857 00:39:16,210 --> 00:39:13,850 his circulation so that made it a little 858 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:16,220 bit over 10,000 and then he had a giant 859 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:18,410 UFO convention it was the largest UFO 860 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:20,810 convention of her hell at the hotel 861 00:39:27,460 --> 00:39:24,050 commoner in New York he had over 8,000 862 00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:27,470 people over a a particular weekend I 863 00:39:34,060 --> 00:39:30,320 think it was celebrating and this would 864 00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:34,070 have been 1967 so the 30th anniversary 865 00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:37,760 of Kenneth Arnold sighting or something 866 00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:41,240 and everybody showed up I mean he had a 867 00:39:47,380 --> 00:39:44,870 really deeper list of speakers and all 868 00:39:49,780 --> 00:39:47,390 including Roy Thinnes who was the star 869 00:39:52,330 --> 00:39:49,790 of the TV show the invaders at the time 870 00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:52,340 and he had a woman who claimed to be 871 00:39:59,200 --> 00:39:56,000 from Venus there was a gal her name was 872 00:40:01,540 --> 00:39:59,210 vive eNOS who had been on the long john 873 00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:01,550 the show like two three nights in a row 874 00:40:05,770 --> 00:40:03,710 and she claimed that she had actually 875 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:05,780 come down here from another planet 876 00:40:11,260 --> 00:40:08,090 London and landed in Central Park in and 877 00:40:14,020 --> 00:40:11,270 had swap souls with there was somebody 878 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:14,030 here who wanted to commit suicide and 879 00:40:17,530 --> 00:40:15,890 there that that person went off to 880 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:17,540 another place it was one of the original 881 00:40:22,810 --> 00:40:18,890 what we call walk it 882 00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:22,820 okay start seedlings and then it was at 883 00:40:28,510 --> 00:40:25,280 the height of the UFO flap like in 884 00:40:30,070 --> 00:40:28,520 Michigan and all these uh the the 885 00:40:33,250 --> 00:40:30,080 subject was getting a tremendous amount 886 00:40:35,050 --> 00:40:33,260 of play in the in the media and and so 887 00:40:38,260 --> 00:40:35,060 just a couple of announcements and an ad 888 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:38,270 bought in this huge crowd I mean we we 889 00:40:42,190 --> 00:40:40,010 couldn't keep the we couldn't keep the 890 00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:42,200 lines straight people were sneaking into 891 00:40:47,850 --> 00:40:45,440 side doors and of all this you know but 892 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:47,860 in those days there was a real great 893 00:40:52,810 --> 00:40:51,290 enthusiasm for or less uh a little bit 894 00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:52,820 more of a novelty that it is today you 895 00:40:58,830 --> 00:40:56,000 know well and from what I understand 896 00:41:02,200 --> 00:40:58,840 wasn't Edward Condon in the audience 897 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:02,210 yeah you're right absolutely right he's 898 00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:06,890 he sat there and took notes and he 899 00:41:12,130 --> 00:41:09,350 interviewed people like dr. Frank 900 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:12,140 strangers and Howard manager who was our 901 00:41:18,430 --> 00:41:16,250 local version of the George Adamski very 902 00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:18,440 nice gentleman is married to Connie a 903 00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:20,990 manager they later on moved to Florida 904 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:25,040 and and his experiences I could actually 905 00:41:30,190 --> 00:41:27,890 support a little bit more because 906 00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,200 something strange was happening out 907 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:33,200 there in High Bridge New Jersey he lived 908 00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:34,970 about Howard and his wife lived on a 909 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:37,550 farm where they had actually had some 910 00:41:43,690 --> 00:41:40,490 UFO experiences where he was a when he 911 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:43,700 was a kid growing up you know and UFOs 912 00:41:46,780 --> 00:41:45,650 came over and he and his brother saw 913 00:41:49,180 --> 00:41:46,790 these things and then there was a 914 00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,190 landing where he met a woman supposedly 915 00:41:55,420 --> 00:41:50,960 from some other planet you know very 916 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:55,430 attractive lady and over the years he 917 00:41:59,200 --> 00:41:57,410 claimed that he had these visitors they 918 00:42:00,910 --> 00:41:59,210 were landing in his apple orchard and 919 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:00,920 and people that would come to visit 920 00:42:05,980 --> 00:42:03,530 would actually see strange things going 921 00:42:07,450 --> 00:42:05,990 on in the back of the house okay well I 922 00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,460 talked to some of these people and they 923 00:42:12,340 --> 00:42:09,680 were even on the Long John show and it 924 00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,350 was kind of iffy Jim Mosely and we said 925 00:42:18,370 --> 00:42:14,240 that the photographs were fake because 926 00:42:20,980 --> 00:42:18,380 Howard as a livelihood was a sign 927 00:42:22,990 --> 00:42:20,990 painter so he painted up some mock UFOs 928 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:23,000 with you know Daigle paint or something 929 00:42:28,450 --> 00:42:24,890 like that and photographed him that's a 930 00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,460 possibility but he also had photos of of 931 00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:30,560 these space people kind of in silhouette 932 00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:31,550 form 933 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:33,560 in fact if anybody's interested I have a 934 00:42:41,020 --> 00:42:38,090 book called UFO repeaters seeing is 935 00:42:43,470 --> 00:42:41,030 believing the camera doesn't lie you can 936 00:42:46,270 --> 00:42:43,480 find that on Amazon and that's got like 937 00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:46,280 15 different people who are UFO 938 00:42:50,820 --> 00:42:48,200 repeaters that have experiences over and 939 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:50,830 over and over again thanks to Lansing 940 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:54,410 stellastot a wonderful lady I do sell it 941 00:43:00,030 --> 00:42:56,690 very well and in fact I have a story 942 00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:00,040 about stellar Lansing and a pro but 943 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:03,260 Howard major he he had something going 944 00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,810 for him there I remember I had a phone 945 00:43:09,730 --> 00:43:08,000 call one time from after I was on the 946 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:09,740 longtime show there was this gentleman 947 00:43:13,570 --> 00:43:11,930 who called me and said listen I have 948 00:43:15,580 --> 00:43:13,580 something to tell you and he told me the 949 00:43:16,570 --> 00:43:15,590 story about how he had driven out to 950 00:43:18,820 --> 00:43:16,580 Howard's 951 00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:18,830 places for him without letting anybody 952 00:43:22,180 --> 00:43:20,720 know knowing he was going he didn't know 953 00:43:24,370 --> 00:43:22,190 Howard or anything like that but he had 954 00:43:27,580 --> 00:43:24,380 heard him on the on the radio so he went 955 00:43:29,830 --> 00:43:27,590 there and he parked somewhere in the the 956 00:43:32,290 --> 00:43:29,840 field behind the house and he had 957 00:43:34,330 --> 00:43:32,300 missing time and this was before there 958 00:43:35,250 --> 00:43:34,340 was missing time I mean we're talking 959 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:35,260 about 960 00:43:42,430 --> 00:43:40,130 Gallade 60s early 70s something had 961 00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:42,440 happened because he had been sitting on 962 00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:44,060 the hood of the car waiting to see these 963 00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:47,560 craft and when he came to the Sun was up 964 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:50,630 okay so that's pretty unusual but it 965 00:43:54,310 --> 00:43:51,650 doesn't prove anything 966 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:54,320 maybe just passed out from the it being 967 00:44:00,040 --> 00:43:57,530 so late but he kept calling me because 968 00:44:02,350 --> 00:44:00,050 he said that there was something pulling 969 00:44:05,650 --> 00:44:02,360 him and now this was before the movie 970 00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,660 closed and Close Encounters and if you 971 00:44:11,620 --> 00:44:08,000 remember in the film what was his name 972 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:11,630 and Noorie that the truck driver who was 973 00:44:16,990 --> 00:44:14,690 making the the the mountain the devil's 974 00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:17,000 tower added imagine Richard Dreyfuss I 975 00:44:25,090 --> 00:44:19,910 can't I should know his character story 976 00:44:26,890 --> 00:44:25,100 I think yeah oh okay anyway so there was 977 00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,900 this oh that fellow and he called me and 978 00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:28,880 apparently he was getting some kind of 979 00:44:36,370 --> 00:44:33,430 messages to build something now he never 980 00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,380 quite explained what it was but he left 981 00:44:42,250 --> 00:44:38,480 his family and he bought a trailer and 982 00:44:44,980 --> 00:44:42,260 he started filling in with it sounded 983 00:44:45,450 --> 00:44:44,990 like kind of abstract metal sculptures 984 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:45,460 or 985 00:44:52,650 --> 00:44:50,170 the the space people were telling him to 986 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:52,660 do all because he you know had this 987 00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,450 missing time experience behind Howard 988 00:45:02,540 --> 00:44:58,000 managers house and then there were dr. 989 00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:05,400 psychiatrist who had written about UFOs 990 00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,990 and and done examinations of people and 991 00:45:11,790 --> 00:45:09,760 found out that they were and that they 992 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:11,800 were stable and they did not have mental 993 00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:13,690 illnesses and so forth and so on he 994 00:45:17,220 --> 00:45:15,760 actually had to spend some time 995 00:45:19,799 --> 00:45:17,230 interviewing Howard in some of the 996 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:19,809 witnesses and had some experiences so 997 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:22,770 there is as well in fact he was the the 998 00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:26,650 individual who investigated stellar 999 00:45:32,190 --> 00:45:29,880 Lansing's a case that you just mentioned 1000 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:32,200 well and you know I would love to talk 1001 00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,970 to you after you get back from the next 1002 00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:35,200 break because she's always been 1003 00:45:38,220 --> 00:45:37,089 somebody's fascinated me and nobody 1004 00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:38,230 thinks about her 1005 00:45:42,420 --> 00:45:40,569 III discovered stellar Lansing and I 1006 00:45:45,390 --> 00:45:42,430 have a say if it wasn't for me there 1007 00:45:48,299 --> 00:45:45,400 would be no cell in Lansing for sure 1008 00:45:50,609 --> 00:45:48,309 yeah yeah well I bet I pioneered this 1009 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:50,619 stuff you know I I was always people say 1010 00:45:54,839 --> 00:45:52,690 well you know you you know some of these 1011 00:45:57,180 --> 00:45:54,849 people in the real wacko yeah but I 1012 00:45:59,700 --> 00:45:57,190 managed it without insulting people 1013 00:46:02,160 --> 00:45:59,710 I managed you know people say oh you're 1014 00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:02,170 the great fence center and yeah I would 1015 00:46:07,319 --> 00:46:04,569 I would say that I am because you don't 1016 00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:07,329 learn anything by you know and and 1017 00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:10,030 insulting people are calling a fraud now 1018 00:46:15,089 --> 00:46:13,119 my philosophy on this subject is unless 1019 00:46:17,549 --> 00:46:15,099 somebody claims to be a great cult 1020 00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:17,559 leader and has the you know is the only 1021 00:46:22,620 --> 00:46:20,049 source of information like Billy Meyer 1022 00:46:24,510 --> 00:46:22,630 who I totally the test because it's a 1023 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:24,520 way it's a waste of time and the photos 1024 00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:27,490 are obviously you know as phony as you 1025 00:46:32,609 --> 00:46:31,030 could possibly get you know I mean I'll 1026 00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:32,619 give you I'll give you a half a chance 1027 00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:34,720 and listen to you know what you have to 1028 00:46:38,819 --> 00:46:36,790 say and if I don't believe you and 1029 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:38,829 whatsoever I just won't have you on the 1030 00:46:43,799 --> 00:46:40,690 program or I won't sit down with you are 1031 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:43,809 just a passerby but I'm not going to go 1032 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:45,730 out of my way a to it you know where to 1033 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:48,250 insult you in there there is that the 1034 00:46:53,579 --> 00:46:51,730 quantity in the field of people who he 1035 00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:53,589 doesn't believe what I believe so I'm 1036 00:46:59,310 --> 00:46:57,520 not going to heat him any attention you 1037 00:47:01,170 --> 00:46:59,320 know it's it's it's like me and 1038 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:01,180 okay so I've had some dealings with 1039 00:47:04,890 --> 00:47:03,130 people who are maybe borderline but I've 1040 00:47:08,070 --> 00:47:04,900 also done the heck of a lot of good and 1041 00:47:11,460 --> 00:47:08,080 I've been out here for 50 years 1042 00:47:13,770 --> 00:47:11,470 promoting the the field without being a 1043 00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:13,780 judgmental and I've probably provided 1044 00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:17,470 more guests to other you know produced 1045 00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:19,990 shows actually without any pay or 1046 00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:22,510 compensation or mentioned my book or 1047 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:24,640 something like that you know than 1048 00:47:28,050 --> 00:47:26,410 anybody else you know because if 1049 00:47:30,090 --> 00:47:28,060 somebody like if somebody's on my show 1050 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:30,100 and I think that you know they have 1051 00:47:32,820 --> 00:47:31,330 something worthwhile and saying they're 1052 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:32,830 not getting the attention that they 1053 00:47:36,810 --> 00:47:34,810 deserve I'll even send out a little note 1054 00:47:38,970 --> 00:47:36,820 to it to my you know my buddies that do 1055 00:47:40,170 --> 00:47:38,980 programs and say how does person on you 1056 00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:40,180 know they're they'll make a good guess 1057 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:41,380 that's awesome 1058 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:44,250 and yet I mean that it is it is a hard 1059 00:47:49,740 --> 00:47:48,010 line to I mean we all have our different 1060 00:47:51,930 --> 00:47:49,750 opinions and they're always critics 1061 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:51,940 coming at you from every angle and and 1062 00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:54,010 it's just like at the end of the day 1063 00:47:59,700 --> 00:47:56,710 none of us this is a this is like the 1064 00:48:02,010 --> 00:47:59,710 Wild West and we all make mistakes and 1065 00:48:04,740 --> 00:48:02,020 some of us are you know grounded and 1066 00:48:06,810 --> 00:48:04,750 humble enough to admit that and say this 1067 00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:06,820 is where we've gotten rioter we've gone 1068 00:48:10,410 --> 00:48:08,470 wrong and different things and it's just 1069 00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:10,420 it's I don't know I'm gonna give you a 1070 00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:12,550 lot of credit for doing what you've done 1071 00:48:18,510 --> 00:48:15,720 over the past few decades and and 1072 00:48:20,540 --> 00:48:18,520 getting people's information out there 1073 00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:20,550 making them feel comfortable because 1074 00:48:26,190 --> 00:48:23,470 that's important right right now I'm 1075 00:48:26,940 --> 00:48:26,200 sitting here with two books in my lap 1076 00:48:31,980 --> 00:48:26,950 and they're so heavy 1077 00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:31,990 my leg is falling asleep oh dear well 1078 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:36,250 you know I my one of the Tim Schwartz 1079 00:48:41,220 --> 00:48:37,930 that some of our books and there's 1080 00:48:41,730 --> 00:48:41,230 another fellow in California became mr. 1081 00:48:47,630 --> 00:48:41,740 Kirk 1082 00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:47,640 alright hear the music again there's 1083 00:48:59,000 --> 00:48:54,160 spaceship spaceship I'm Eric eleuterio 1084 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:02,790 carefully welcome back to the second 1085 00:49:07,470 --> 00:49:04,810 half of UFO classified again it's always 1086 00:49:09,059 --> 00:49:07,480 great to see my friends in chat Ben 1087 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:09,069 Benjamin Hyde I'll be calling you on 1088 00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:11,410 Sunday I look forward to that all of you 1089 00:49:16,140 --> 00:49:13,150 thank you for supporting the show and 1090 00:49:17,940 --> 00:49:16,150 and doing the best to promote it you 1091 00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:17,950 know that I'm here because I am 1092 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:21,040 passionate about the subject I want to 1093 00:49:24,750 --> 00:49:22,930 preserve history I want to make sure a 1094 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:24,760 younger generation has a good platform 1095 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:28,810 to get in here and make good calls 1096 00:49:33,630 --> 00:49:32,050 instead of being fed a line where we 1097 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:33,640 constantly have to learn the same 1098 00:49:38,849 --> 00:49:35,650 lessons over and over and over again it 1099 00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:38,859 is a it can be a deep and murky subject 1100 00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:40,680 and with all the disinformation 1101 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:43,569 especially today that we're seeing in 1102 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:45,130 play it makes it even more challenging 1103 00:49:50,609 --> 00:49:47,410 but there is something incredible here 1104 00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,619 and it is worthy of study and respect I 1105 00:49:56,730 --> 00:49:53,440 am here tonight with Tim Beck who has a 1106 00:49:58,829 --> 00:49:56,740 show on my favorite radio station kco 1107 00:50:01,740 --> 00:49:58,839 are it's on Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. 1108 00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,750 Pacific Standard Time his co-host is Tim 1109 00:50:06,030 --> 00:50:03,119 Schwartz I've been on the show before 1110 00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:06,040 exploring the bizarre I love it it's fun 1111 00:50:13,380 --> 00:50:09,910 funny I have a great time and he Kim has 1112 00:50:15,690 --> 00:50:13,390 also been in this game for decades since 1113 00:50:18,450 --> 00:50:15,700 the 60s and is often how many books have 1114 00:50:23,099 --> 00:50:18,460 how many books have you written well you 1115 00:50:26,220 --> 00:50:23,109 know I don't know we have we have I'm a 1116 00:50:28,890 --> 00:50:26,230 publisher so I always put my name 1117 00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:28,900 somewhere there so it's kind of a you 1118 00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,569 know a brand you either like me or you 1119 00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:33,040 dislike me but you know what you get 1120 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:37,119 when you kind of order a book if you're 1121 00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:38,530 into it well that's fine if you're not 1122 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:41,910 well you know read something else but 1123 00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:44,410 how many books that I have written I 1124 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:45,609 don't know 1125 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:50,170 we have over 300 books up on Amazon but 1126 00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:52,690 they're by other authors like Brad 1127 00:51:01,050 --> 00:50:57,130 Steiger Reverend Barry downing tea 1128 00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:01,060 lobster grappa I can't even remember all 1129 00:51:07,740 --> 00:51:03,640 the all the authors you know back in the 1130 00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:07,750 1980s anything that you published in 1131 00:51:11,070 --> 00:51:10,329 this field newer kind of I call it 1132 00:51:15,210 --> 00:51:11,080 alternative 1133 00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:15,220 or press I don't know what what it's 1134 00:51:18,930 --> 00:51:16,960 really it considered because people 1135 00:51:21,810 --> 00:51:18,940 always complain when you go to a 1136 00:51:23,610 --> 00:51:21,820 bookstore and there's no UFO section now 1137 00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:23,620 because they're still going by the Dewey 1138 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:26,710 Decimal System right and and there's 1139 00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,690 that yeah what do it would do he was 1140 00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:30,160 around and I don't know exactly when 1141 00:51:35,790 --> 00:51:32,800 that was we're probably around 1902 or 1142 00:51:38,490 --> 00:51:35,800 something there were no UFOs I mean and 1143 00:51:40,590 --> 00:51:38,500 so it does it's next to the computer 1144 00:51:42,990 --> 00:51:40,600 books or something like that even when 1145 00:51:48,570 --> 00:51:43,000 you go into Barnes & Noble now it now it 1146 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:48,580 would be under spiritual or new age or 1147 00:51:53,070 --> 00:51:50,530 religious studies or something like that 1148 00:51:55,380 --> 00:51:53,080 there's never been a UFO section and 1149 00:52:00,570 --> 00:51:55,390 people complain about it but that's just 1150 00:52:03,660 --> 00:52:00,580 the way it is okay but in the 1980s 1151 00:52:04,590 --> 00:52:03,670 there was a proliferation of independent 1152 00:52:11,610 --> 00:52:04,600 bookstores 1153 00:52:14,940 --> 00:52:11,620 most of which specialized in alternative 1154 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:14,950 and new-age media I mean every town in 1155 00:52:21,150 --> 00:52:18,250 America had at least one crystal shop or 1156 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:21,160 one New Ager shop some of which carried 1157 00:52:27,830 --> 00:52:24,090 UFO books and some of which didn't now I 1158 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:27,840 remember an incident I was in Sedona and 1159 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:31,090 I had just started really published I 1160 00:52:36,030 --> 00:52:33,370 think I put out my first hardcover book 1161 00:52:39,150 --> 00:52:36,040 it was called demon lovers by Brad 1162 00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:39,160 Steiger and I went into a place called 1163 00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,270 the eye of the vortex no longer been no 1164 00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:45,040 longer around not for years they didn't 1165 00:52:51,330 --> 00:52:48,910 last very long because most metaphysical 1166 00:52:55,890 --> 00:52:51,340 bookstores are pushing one particular 1167 00:52:58,260 --> 00:52:55,900 theme and you can't push a you know open 1168 00:53:00,120 --> 00:52:58,270 a bookstore and just want to sell books 1169 00:53:01,410 --> 00:53:00,130 by the yoga pushing on there or 1170 00:53:03,860 --> 00:53:01,420 something like that you know you got to 1171 00:53:06,660 --> 00:53:03,870 be a little bit more you know 1172 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:06,670 broad-minded anyway I had published this 1173 00:53:11,220 --> 00:53:08,650 book by bread sagging demon lovers and I 1174 00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:11,230 went in to the to the book store 1175 00:53:16,830 --> 00:53:13,650 figuring that I would introduce myself 1176 00:53:19,950 --> 00:53:16,840 and the two ladies who ran the store the 1177 00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,960 iron a vortex said we don't like you in 1178 00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:22,000 here and I said why is that because you 1179 00:53:27,650 --> 00:53:24,880 published demon lovers my breads tiger 1180 00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:27,660 you know and I realized that that was 1181 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:30,160 you know and like there was always going 1182 00:53:34,770 --> 00:53:32,530 to be you know there's some store owner 1183 00:53:37,170 --> 00:53:34,780 a proprietor who wouldn't carry your 1184 00:53:39,150 --> 00:53:37,180 books because they didn't it was guilt 1185 00:53:41,580 --> 00:53:39,160 by association again they didn't like 1186 00:53:44,970 --> 00:53:41,590 you because you published books by Brad 1187 00:53:47,730 --> 00:53:44,980 Sagar or had once meant Anton LaVey or 1188 00:53:50,460 --> 00:53:47,740 belong to a witches a coven in New York 1189 00:53:52,110 --> 00:53:50,470 or made horror movies although you 1190 00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:52,120 mentioned off the air a project that I 1191 00:53:58,800 --> 00:53:56,800 was involved in years ago oh yes I make 1192 00:54:02,520 --> 00:53:58,810 no secret that I make no secret of this 1193 00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:02,530 and and we are we are not governed by 1194 00:54:09,090 --> 00:54:05,830 the FCC here I as is this mr. Kisker 1195 00:54:13,020 --> 00:54:09,100 thing okay and we are broadcast out of 1196 00:54:15,810 --> 00:54:13,030 Las Vegas okay I was the original movie 1197 00:54:19,050 --> 00:54:15,820 critic for hustler magazine in fact I 1198 00:54:20,910 --> 00:54:19,060 did most of the legwork in on the East 1199 00:54:26,070 --> 00:54:20,920 Coast here for Larry Flynt 1200 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:26,080 in fact I one time chased blaze star the 1201 00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:27,370 stripper who claimed who had a 1202 00:54:32,310 --> 00:54:29,710 extramarital affair with John F Kennedy 1203 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:32,320 through the lobby of a well-known hotel 1204 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:35,890 a topless she was topless not me and 1205 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:38,650 taking taking photographs and and so I 1206 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:41,170 did their movie reviews and and I got in 1207 00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:44,290 with the wrong crowd haha okay and and I 1208 00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:47,710 I was I also did another magazine one of 1209 00:54:52,110 --> 00:54:50,110 my editorial chores called don't set him 1210 00:54:56,610 --> 00:54:52,120 a review so I was meeting all the people 1211 00:54:59,070 --> 00:54:56,620 there were any of the the adult movie 1212 00:55:02,010 --> 00:54:59,080 business some of the some of whom were 1213 00:55:04,110 --> 00:55:02,020 were perhaps a little shady and sorely 1214 00:55:05,820 --> 00:55:04,120 surly but most of them who were not 1215 00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:05,830 really they were actually just trying to 1216 00:55:11,970 --> 00:55:08,230 make a living like everybody else and 1217 00:55:14,190 --> 00:55:11,980 had you know different feelings and 1218 00:55:17,010 --> 00:55:14,200 morals maybe then the Christian the 1219 00:55:19,380 --> 00:55:17,020 right that might fight to have in fact a 1220 00:55:22,050 --> 00:55:19,390 girlfriend of mine once changed herself 1221 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:22,060 to the pillar of a building because they 1222 00:55:26,670 --> 00:55:23,890 were having a sex conference nothing to 1223 00:55:29,730 --> 00:55:26,680 do with sex but you know just an 1224 00:55:31,380 --> 00:55:29,740 entertainment type of thing and the 1225 00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,390 police came to raid the place because I 1226 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:33,040 think they were selling like adult 1227 00:55:37,650 --> 00:55:35,890 products and and condoms and they 1228 00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:37,660 chained themselves together in front of 1229 00:55:42,180 --> 00:55:39,310 the pillars in the building that they 1230 00:55:44,850 --> 00:55:42,190 they had rented the you know the room to 1231 00:55:46,890 --> 00:55:44,860 have their vet so I I knew all these 1232 00:55:50,610 --> 00:55:46,900 these people and I got involved in 1233 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:50,620 making while reviewing films and and I 1234 00:55:58,800 --> 00:55:54,130 worked for a couple of film companies as 1235 00:56:01,110 --> 00:55:58,810 a publicist they would give me a trailer 1236 00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:01,120 you know a like a two minute trailer for 1237 00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,730 the film and I'd cut up the 35 1238 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:05,920 millimeter footage and I would go around 1239 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:08,410 to the men's magazines and leave them 1240 00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,330 off with a press release that I would 1241 00:56:13,890 --> 00:56:12,160 write and they would run the press 1242 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:13,900 release and the photographs because they 1243 00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:16,690 were gonna get for frisée and and that 1244 00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:20,050 way I also ended up doing UFO articles 1245 00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,670 for these magazines are getting paid 1246 00:56:26,190 --> 00:56:23,680 five six seven hundred dollars because I 1247 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:26,200 would throw in a pitch for UFOs while I 1248 00:56:30,750 --> 00:56:28,210 was there and so some of these magazines 1249 00:56:33,330 --> 00:56:30,760 that would never think of printing a UFO 1250 00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:33,340 piece like Genesis and gallery we're 1251 00:56:38,070 --> 00:56:35,920 doing colored pictorials on the on the 1252 00:56:40,890 --> 00:56:38,080 the subject so I kind of got into that 1253 00:56:44,510 --> 00:56:40,900 you know into doing the the men's 1254 00:56:47,550 --> 00:56:44,520 magazines things and I made in 1984 I 1255 00:56:49,980 --> 00:56:47,560 co-produced a film called driller which 1256 00:56:54,290 --> 00:56:49,990 was the adult take off of Michael 1257 00:56:57,210 --> 00:56:54,300 Jackson's Thriller and this plate in 1258 00:57:02,370 --> 00:56:57,220 adult theaters around the country and it 1259 00:57:08,610 --> 00:57:02,380 also played in oh a drive-in theaters 1260 00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:08,620 you know as a midnight shows on weekends 1261 00:57:12,450 --> 00:57:10,870 and things like that you know I like it 1262 00:57:13,950 --> 00:57:12,460 next David was on a double bill I think 1263 00:57:16,530 --> 00:57:13,960 it a couple places with the Rocky Horror 1264 00:57:18,030 --> 00:57:16,540 Show although we were a little hot we 1265 00:57:20,340 --> 00:57:18,040 were harder than the Rocky Horror Show 1266 00:57:24,780 --> 00:57:20,350 but rocky har show was actually we had 1267 00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:24,790 singing and dancing and a delta zombies 1268 00:57:30,810 --> 00:57:28,960 and a werewolf in fact we got banned in 1269 00:57:33,390 --> 00:57:30,820 Canada because they said we were 1270 00:57:35,550 --> 00:57:33,400 promoting bestiality because we had a an 1271 00:57:43,710 --> 00:57:35,560 actor dressed up like a werewolf in the 1272 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:43,720 film oh okay so so you know I doing that 1273 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:46,450 so so so what in fact we had a midnight 1274 00:57:51,420 --> 00:57:49,450 screening we had the 30th anniversary of 1275 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:51,430 the release of the film at some of the 1276 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:52,810 actual people that were in it 1277 00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:54,730 who believe me or not in adult films 1278 00:57:59,730 --> 00:57:57,760 anymore you know it showed up and we had 1279 00:58:01,530 --> 00:57:59,740 an interesting evening and talking about 1280 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:01,540 the film and it was one of the films 1281 00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:03,250 that got a lot of attention even in 1282 00:58:06,540 --> 00:58:04,960 because I knew all these people liked it 1283 00:58:08,460 --> 00:58:06,550 to tabloids so I'd call him up and I'd 1284 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:08,470 say hey I got this film coming out and 1285 00:58:12,810 --> 00:58:11,050 they say oh it's a Michael Jackson that 1286 00:58:13,980 --> 00:58:12,820 you know spoof so they'd play it up on 1287 00:58:16,140 --> 00:58:13,990 the cover with stills through the 1288 00:58:19,470 --> 00:58:16,150 photographs and stuff yeah I was the 1289 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:19,480 number one adult movie an actual movie I 1290 00:58:23,340 --> 00:58:21,010 mean we spent a hundred thousand dollars 1291 00:58:32,490 --> 00:58:23,350 to victims they never won an adult movie 1292 00:58:35,340 --> 00:58:32,500 in America for three weeks in a row you 1293 00:58:37,590 --> 00:58:35,350 know I don't I don't know you know I 1294 00:58:39,930 --> 00:58:37,600 never I've never hidden that as a fact I 1295 00:58:42,690 --> 00:58:39,940 don't think anybody in a UFO field has 1296 00:58:43,830 --> 00:58:42,700 ever really been over critical and tore 1297 00:58:46,590 --> 00:58:43,840 towards me 1298 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:46,600 some people said I couldn't act but the 1299 00:58:50,310 --> 00:58:48,730 hell with them I made some people said I 1300 00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:50,320 could sing and I actually got on the 1301 00:58:59,220 --> 00:58:54,310 stage a couple of times and we had a we 1302 00:59:02,040 --> 00:58:59,230 had a group in Arizona I sang with him a 1303 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:02,050 couple of times it was the UFO X band or 1304 00:59:07,500 --> 00:59:03,850 something like that was Susan Gordon and 1305 00:59:08,580 --> 00:59:07,510 Jim delat Oso and and Fred Bell before 1306 00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:08,590 he passed away 1307 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:11,440 and we even had Patrick mareas coming in 1308 00:59:16,620 --> 00:59:14,290 a jam with us till like 5:00 o'clock in 1309 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:16,630 the morning he was the keyboard player 1310 00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:24,090 for let me thank booty blues and then 1311 00:59:30,660 --> 00:59:28,240 was it yes yeah kind of not my kind of 1312 00:59:32,580 --> 00:59:30,670 music well you'd have to ever had Jim 1313 00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:32,590 Della tell so other year the show he's a 1314 00:59:39,330 --> 00:59:36,400 know a fascinating fellow yeah well he I 1315 00:59:41,370 --> 00:59:39,340 love Jim even if he believes that the 1316 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:41,380 Billy Meyers of photos are some of them 1317 00:59:48,210 --> 00:59:45,850 were illegitimate yeah yeah but he no 1318 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:48,220 you know no Shirley MacLaine and oh yeah 1319 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:54,610 he's quite a Phoenix lights he did he's 1320 00:59:58,920 --> 00:59:56,410 doing he's doing oh he's not so active 1321 01:00:01,740 --> 00:59:58,930 for the UFO field you know but if I ever 1322 01:00:04,620 --> 01:00:01,750 get to a Tucson which I like to do i I 1323 01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,630 have I have a bigger bite my my home 1324 01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:06,640 away from home would be Tucson 1325 01:00:12,990 --> 01:00:11,200 I mean I got I got a you know a a group 1326 01:00:16,620 --> 01:00:13,000 of people there that'll always come in 1327 01:00:20,070 --> 01:00:16,630 to say hello and have a drink and who 1328 01:00:23,460 --> 01:00:20,080 knows well yeah yeah in fact one of our 1329 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:23,470 biggest fans for the show if you could 1330 01:00:31,710 --> 01:00:28,530 caller that is associate of mine as a 1331 01:00:33,690 --> 01:00:31,720 Georgine and she's you know called up 1332 01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:33,700 Charlotte she's called up the the show 1333 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:35,680 several times and she's kind of my 1334 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:37,450 photographer when I'm when I'm out there 1335 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:40,810 we we go to you know a Sedona and they 1336 01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:44,290 take their photos of a Tom Dondo do you 1337 01:00:49,350 --> 01:00:45,850 know have you had Tom on the show 1338 01:00:51,180 --> 01:00:49,360 no I haven't he's got he's got 1339 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:51,190 scrapbooks full of photographs of all 1340 01:00:56,820 --> 01:00:54,490 kinds of the blue man and and he was 1341 01:00:59,100 --> 01:00:56,830 involved with a Bradshaw ranch yeah 1342 01:01:03,990 --> 01:00:59,110 which was even even a little bit before 1343 01:01:05,970 --> 01:01:04,000 the skinwalker ranch around the same 1344 01:01:08,190 --> 01:01:05,980 time you know now here's one thing I 1345 01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,200 found out I'm working on a book if we 1346 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:10,480 can get the last five chapters together 1347 01:01:15,420 --> 01:01:13,450 because again it's over 500 pages or 400 1348 01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:15,430 pages and we kind of lost the 1349 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:18,310 synchronicity of the of the book I put 1350 01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:20,410 the wrong chapter in the wrong order or 1351 01:01:25,140 --> 01:01:23,200 something like that and the the graphics 1352 01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:25,150 department has got a little crazy over 1353 01:01:30,420 --> 01:01:28,480 this but up I I'm doing a book that'll 1354 01:01:31,530 --> 01:01:30,430 be out before Christmas in fact it might 1355 01:01:36,330 --> 01:01:31,540 be out in a week or so 1356 01:01:38,460 --> 01:01:36,340 it's called UFOs day J and foo it's all 1357 01:01:41,820 --> 01:01:38,470 about the places that you can go and 1358 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:41,830 have repeated UFO experiences now it's 1359 01:01:46,590 --> 01:01:44,410 not gonna happen on every given tonight 1360 01:01:49,650 --> 01:01:46,600 but we're talking about skinwalker ranch 1361 01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:49,660 the Bradshaw ranch we're talking about 1362 01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:54,400 the San Luis Valley in Colorado that 1363 01:01:58,650 --> 01:01:56,520 Chris O'Brien of course has been 1364 01:02:00,990 --> 01:01:58,660 involved in there we've kind of long 1365 01:02:03,180 --> 01:02:01,000 inter it's a huge book and it's got it 1366 01:02:05,220 --> 01:02:03,190 from all over the world I mean I sit 1367 01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:05,230 here and you know that's why people say 1368 01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:06,640 well these books are so big yeah because 1369 01:02:11,340 --> 01:02:09,070 I I refuse to finish with a book until I 1370 01:02:13,830 --> 01:02:11,350 I've said everything that I have to say 1371 01:02:15,330 --> 01:02:13,840 and the books are the books from like 1372 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:15,340 magazines because that's kind of my 1373 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:18,610 background in this field has been as a 1374 01:02:23,450 --> 01:02:20,410 magazine publisher and so 1375 01:02:27,509 --> 01:02:23,460 I like to have different diversified 1376 01:02:30,269 --> 01:02:27,519 opinions and concepts and ideas not just 1377 01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:30,279 my own thinking my own warp thinking on 1378 01:02:34,829 --> 01:02:32,079 the other subject you know I like to get 1379 01:02:37,529 --> 01:02:34,839 other people involved and we've got some 1380 01:02:39,420 --> 01:02:37,539 great contributors who who you know I 1381 01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:39,430 could always depend on like Scott 1382 01:02:44,460 --> 01:02:42,609 Corrales who takes care of investigating 1383 01:02:46,829 --> 01:02:44,470 and gathering and collating all the 1384 01:02:49,279 --> 01:02:46,839 reports from the hissed at Hispanic 1385 01:02:53,150 --> 01:02:49,289 communities you know my Puerto Rico and 1386 01:02:56,220 --> 01:02:53,160 South America and and so forth and 1387 01:02:59,160 --> 01:02:56,230 Hercules who I don't know if you spent 1388 01:03:01,890 --> 01:02:59,170 on your show he's a into a ancient 1389 01:03:03,870 --> 01:03:01,900 astronauts and Greek mythology he 1390 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:03,880 actually claims that the Greek gods from 1391 01:03:08,999 --> 01:03:06,490 Atlantis come down and sometimes they 1392 01:03:11,759 --> 01:03:09,009 even do a little hanky-panky with earth 1393 01:03:16,109 --> 01:03:11,769 people and because who can resist them 1394 01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:16,119 because you know what the gods of Mount 1395 01:03:27,569 --> 01:03:21,089 Olympus look like you know Thor and Zeus 1396 01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:27,579 fine for me that's good if we got if we 1397 01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:30,640 go if we go to what are the Greek 1398 01:03:38,999 --> 01:03:36,250 islands I'll introduce you I'm sure that 1399 01:03:42,900 --> 01:03:39,009 you need any introduction that's a good 1400 01:03:44,220 --> 01:03:42,910 point and so I have to ask you because 1401 01:03:47,220 --> 01:03:44,230 you know you're talking about the 1402 01:03:49,170 --> 01:03:47,230 Bradshaw ranch and and UFO repeaters 1403 01:03:50,609 --> 01:03:49,180 this I've got which I've got in my hand 1404 01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:50,619 seeing is believing the camera doesn't 1405 01:03:58,380 --> 01:03:56,170 lie yes it's not a good book you can't 1406 01:04:00,269 --> 01:03:58,390 say okay I mean like people say do you 1407 01:04:02,190 --> 01:04:00,279 believe everybody is story that's in 1408 01:04:06,029 --> 01:04:02,200 there you know some people I give a 1409 01:04:08,190 --> 01:04:06,039 little bit more depth to than others but 1410 01:04:10,769 --> 01:04:08,200 you're gonna ask me about Stella Lansing 1411 01:04:12,660 --> 01:04:10,779 I bet because there's a chapter in there 1412 01:04:15,089 --> 01:04:12,670 on Stella Lansing well you know what I 1413 01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:15,099 mean I came across her a few years ago 1414 01:04:20,819 --> 01:04:18,160 and nobody really talks a lot about her 1415 01:04:25,319 --> 01:04:20,829 but I found her to be very interesting 1416 01:04:29,269 --> 01:04:25,329 so yeah Lansing and this goes back to 1417 01:04:34,279 --> 01:04:29,279 two of the days of Jim Mosely okay about 1418 01:04:38,729 --> 01:04:34,289 1960 I'm gonna say 60 1419 01:04:41,309 --> 01:04:38,739 eight it could be off a year so a gym 1420 01:04:45,089 --> 01:04:41,319 would have weekly meetings or monthly 1421 01:04:48,239 --> 01:04:45,099 meetings in time in a hotel around Times 1422 01:04:49,859 --> 01:04:48,249 Square and he would that you know people 1423 01:04:52,109 --> 01:04:49,869 were intellectually you didn't have the 1424 01:04:53,819 --> 01:04:52,119 Travel Channel at all if you why did he 1425 01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:53,829 hear about UFOs you would go to the 1426 01:04:58,829 --> 01:04:56,410 meetings and you'd pay I think one night 1427 01:05:00,599 --> 01:04:58,839 grey Parker was in one where I was still 1428 01:05:03,150 --> 01:05:00,609 a kid grey Parker was in one room and 1429 01:05:05,099 --> 01:05:03,160 Ivan Sanderson the other and we paid 75 1430 01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:05,109 cents to get in can you imagine that 1431 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:09,039 right and so he had he had speakers I 1432 01:05:12,839 --> 01:05:10,930 even spoke for him when I was a kid I I 1433 01:05:14,579 --> 01:05:12,849 remember I was about 17 years old and 1434 01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:14,589 they had a little room that held like 60 1435 01:05:17,279 --> 01:05:16,209 people and they were crammed in there 1436 01:05:19,859 --> 01:05:17,289 they had to get a room that held a 1437 01:05:21,569 --> 01:05:19,869 hundred that's how you know impressed I 1438 01:05:24,809 --> 01:05:21,579 was at those time people actually would 1439 01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:24,819 come to hear me talk about this and okay 1440 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:26,799 so he chimp was always busy you know 1441 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:28,930 like running around and you know setting 1442 01:05:35,189 --> 01:05:31,930 up the the book table or or taking money 1443 01:05:37,650 --> 01:05:35,199 at the door or are putting out folding 1444 01:05:41,609 --> 01:05:37,660 chairs or what-have-you introducing the 1445 01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:41,619 speakers so I was kind of his assistant 1446 01:05:46,890 --> 01:05:44,319 and if you can't get to Jim the closest 1447 01:05:49,140 --> 01:05:46,900 thing you would get was to talk to me so 1448 01:05:51,089 --> 01:05:49,150 I get this I get this lady comes up to 1449 01:05:54,299 --> 01:05:51,099 me and she introduces herself Estella 1450 01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:54,309 Lansing and she tells me that she's had 1451 01:05:59,819 --> 01:05:57,039 all these weird experiences and she 1452 01:06:02,489 --> 01:05:59,829 would like to make a presentation of her 1453 01:06:06,180 --> 01:06:02,499 films now Stella would go out at night 1454 01:06:09,269 --> 01:06:06,190 with her a cheap little 8-millimeter at 1455 01:06:12,479 --> 01:06:09,279 camera and she would point the camera at 1456 01:06:17,459 --> 01:06:12,489 the sky and when the film was developed 1457 01:06:20,130 --> 01:06:17,469 there would be all sorts of well what 1458 01:06:21,689 --> 01:06:20,140 would you call them objects on the on 1459 01:06:24,089 --> 01:06:21,699 the photograph they weren't necessarily 1460 01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:24,099 UFO shaped some of them were but there 1461 01:06:29,539 --> 01:06:26,890 were images of people and images of 1462 01:06:32,249 --> 01:06:29,549 clocks and things that she hadn't seen 1463 01:06:34,469 --> 01:06:32,259 but they were there and the thing that 1464 01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:34,479 made it so unusual is that when you're 1465 01:06:38,489 --> 01:06:36,400 using the 8 millimeter area you know the 1466 01:06:40,620 --> 01:06:38,499 if you know about filmmaking 1467 01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:40,630 you know the would you play the film and 1468 01:06:44,759 --> 01:06:42,160 go to the projector at a certain speed 1469 01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:44,769 projects it on the wall but she had the 1470 01:06:50,380 --> 01:06:47,090 images were actually appearing in 1471 01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:50,390 tweed the the frames of the you know 1472 01:06:55,210 --> 01:06:52,490 where the sprockets are on the eight 1473 01:06:59,350 --> 01:06:55,220 millimeter a film where you shouldn't 1474 01:07:01,380 --> 01:06:59,360 even get any anything on there and then 1475 01:07:04,780 --> 01:07:01,390 years later when she took this silent 1476 01:07:06,910 --> 01:07:04,790 film and put it on the video voices 1477 01:07:10,180 --> 01:07:06,920 suddenly started appearing and it was a 1478 01:07:12,700 --> 01:07:10,190 silent camera so how did the voices get 1479 01:07:15,130 --> 01:07:12,710 on there so she had these she was a UFO 1480 01:07:17,140 --> 01:07:15,140 repeater she had these experiences over 1481 01:07:20,020 --> 01:07:17,150 and over again and she wanted to make 1482 01:07:21,820 --> 01:07:20,030 her case known to the public so Jim 1483 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:21,830 wouldn't talk to her because he was too 1484 01:07:28,030 --> 01:07:24,850 busy and he was more into nuts and bolts 1485 01:07:31,330 --> 01:07:28,040 and didn't take too much of her psychic 1486 01:07:33,310 --> 01:07:31,340 it's he considered his psychic so he 1487 01:07:35,470 --> 01:07:33,320 said you talk to her anyway she 1488 01:07:38,260 --> 01:07:35,480 convinced me that she wrote to have her 1489 01:07:42,910 --> 01:07:38,270 time on the podium and I talked him into 1490 01:07:44,910 --> 01:07:42,920 giving her an hour at a future uh weekly 1491 01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:44,920 meeting of the saucer and unexplained 1492 01:07:50,620 --> 01:07:48,050 celestial events Research Society which 1493 01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:50,630 for sure his saucers as I use the ers 1494 01:07:54,850 --> 01:07:52,880 okay that was the the group that held 1495 01:07:57,490 --> 01:07:54,860 the the meetings and she came and she 1496 01:08:01,360 --> 01:07:57,500 made this presentation and and you know 1497 01:08:02,500 --> 01:08:01,370 it I hey I knew her pretty well we'd go 1498 01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,510 out for dinner she'd always have 1499 01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:04,160 something new to tell me and have some 1500 01:08:09,850 --> 01:08:06,250 new footage okay 1501 01:08:12,070 --> 01:08:09,860 afro the this somewhat prestigious a 1502 01:08:14,860 --> 01:08:12,080 group and there was like half in a prone 1503 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:14,870 nightcap was into nuts and both 1504 01:08:20,620 --> 01:08:16,970 sightings by pilots and police officers 1505 01:08:22,750 --> 01:08:20,630 and astronomers and into breaking 1506 01:08:25,900 --> 01:08:22,760 through the government secrecy where a 1507 01:08:28,030 --> 01:08:25,910 pro who was down in Tucson they they 1508 01:08:31,599 --> 01:08:28,040 were collecting reports from all over 1509 01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:31,609 the world of humanoid sightings and and 1510 01:08:37,329 --> 01:08:34,490 things that were hostility cases and and 1511 01:08:41,470 --> 01:08:37,339 and things and okay they had a meeting 1512 01:08:44,410 --> 01:08:41,480 in Baltimore in 1970 and they had a 1513 01:08:49,210 --> 01:08:44,420 closed-door presentation that was only 1514 01:08:51,610 --> 01:08:49,220 for the Board of Advisors for a pro so 1515 01:08:53,860 --> 01:08:51,620 Jim and grey Barker and myself we 1516 01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:53,870 decided we wanted to find out what this 1517 01:08:59,740 --> 01:08:56,960 presentation was so we got into the room 1518 01:09:00,490 --> 01:08:59,750 before we were thrown out because we're 1519 01:09:03,370 --> 01:09:00,500 we're not 1520 01:09:05,410 --> 01:09:03,380 by special invitation only and they're 1521 01:09:07,630 --> 01:09:05,420 present there the person that was 1522 01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:07,640 presenting in that room was still in 1523 01:09:11,290 --> 01:09:09,410 Lansing they thought that they had 1524 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:11,300 discovered stellar Lansing when she had 1525 01:09:16,210 --> 01:09:14,090 actually spoken for Jim Mosley's group 1526 01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:16,220 about a year and a half before and they 1527 01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:17,630 kicked us out of the room because they 1528 01:09:21,610 --> 01:09:19,250 didn't want us to hear what she had to 1529 01:09:25,180 --> 01:09:21,620 say anyway you could find her whole 1530 01:09:27,910 --> 01:09:25,190 story in the UFO repeaters the camera 1531 01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:27,920 doesn't lie and if you go to my youtube 1532 01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:28,400 channel 1533 01:09:34,660 --> 01:09:32,330 mr. UFOs secret files where we have 400 1534 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:34,670 interviews most of the interviews from 1535 01:09:39,730 --> 01:09:37,130 all the interviews from our programs 1536 01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:39,740 exploring a bizarre if you type in 1537 01:09:46,180 --> 01:09:42,770 stellar Lansing on our page you will 1538 01:09:49,180 --> 01:09:46,190 find a 10-minute interview when she was 1539 01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:49,190 on unsolved sightings where she's 1540 01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:51,110 actually showing the the videos and 1541 01:09:55,540 --> 01:09:53,090 they're analyzing them and so forth it's 1542 01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:55,550 worth the trip over to mr. UFO secret 1543 01:09:58,720 --> 01:09:56,090 files 1544 01:10:00,880 --> 01:09:58,730 I would say I mean so did you I mean 1545 01:10:06,060 --> 01:10:00,890 what do you make of of that do you think 1546 01:10:08,830 --> 01:10:06,070 there are people that just have yes yes 1547 01:10:11,550 --> 01:10:08,840 well I do believe that a large 1548 01:10:15,190 --> 01:10:11,560 proportion of this subject is very 1549 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:15,200 paranormal in psychic in nature I'm good 1550 01:10:20,530 --> 01:10:18,170 friends with Paul in bed you know and in 1551 01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:20,540 his group now that we've had them on the 1552 01:10:25,150 --> 01:10:22,610 show quite a few times they go down to 1553 01:10:28,030 --> 01:10:25,160 Pennsylvania there's a Pennsylvania 1554 01:10:29,260 --> 01:10:28,040 triangle kind of like the I was gonna 1555 01:10:32,230 --> 01:10:29,270 say the Bermuda Triangle but the 1556 01:10:34,660 --> 01:10:32,240 Bridgewater triangle in in the New 1557 01:10:37,210 --> 01:10:34,670 England and they're having all sorts of 1558 01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:37,220 experience interrelated experiences not 1559 01:10:42,430 --> 01:10:39,290 just the UFO sightings but Bigfoot is 1560 01:10:43,930 --> 01:10:42,440 showing up and there are voices in the 1561 01:10:46,060 --> 01:10:43,940 air that they're hearing and strange 1562 01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:46,070 sounds and things like that yeah 1563 01:10:50,860 --> 01:10:49,040 these are window areas or portals or 1564 01:10:53,470 --> 01:10:50,870 vortexes or whatever you want to call 1565 01:10:54,700 --> 01:10:53,480 them in fact this a UFO deja vu book 1566 01:10:56,860 --> 01:10:54,710 which will be out before Christmas 1567 01:10:58,600 --> 01:10:56,870 that's where we spend most of our time 1568 01:11:00,730 --> 01:10:58,610 is it's a branch or ranch in the 1569 01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:00,740 skinwalker ranch and we got an interview 1570 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:06,050 in there with George Knapp and Tom Dongo 1571 01:11:11,470 --> 01:11:09,130 down there in Sedona who's like the 1572 01:11:13,540 --> 01:11:11,480 there knows more about what's going on 1573 01:11:14,410 --> 01:11:13,550 in Sedona and anywhere else I would say 1574 01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:14,420 if you're gonna have a pair 1575 01:11:19,020 --> 01:11:16,610 normal experience that's the place to go 1576 01:11:21,970 --> 01:11:19,030 and I could tell you about a 1577 01:11:24,970 --> 01:11:21,980 synchronicity now synchronicity as my as 1578 01:11:28,030 --> 01:11:24,980 my bag outside of UFOs I think that 1579 01:11:31,180 --> 01:11:28,040 we're we're actually being told to shut 1580 01:11:34,689 --> 01:11:31,190 up again we're so bad okay we'll talk 1581 01:11:36,970 --> 01:11:34,699 about synchronicity so we get back i 1582 01:11:38,979 --> 01:11:36,980 didö i know i'm ereka Luke's here with 1583 01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:38,989 Tim Timothy greenback without their Lord 1584 01:11:50,169 --> 01:11:40,640 Tina's gotta edit that out we're so in 1585 01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:50,179 trouble this is and now your host of UFO 1586 01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:51,440 classified you ready 1587 01:11:58,930 --> 01:11:56,480 Erica Luke's I know it's so scary isn't 1588 01:12:01,689 --> 01:11:58,940 it but I read well for multiple reasons 1589 01:12:03,580 --> 01:12:01,699 but I just have to say I always want to 1590 01:12:06,490 --> 01:12:03,590 come back to this last segment it makes 1591 01:12:16,930 --> 01:12:06,500 me a little sad because I could talk all 1592 01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:16,940 night and I do look just like you I love 1593 01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:18,800 talking to people and learning from 1594 01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:21,290 people and it's always it's a lot of fun 1595 01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:23,840 for me and I have to decide we're gonna 1596 01:12:32,350 --> 01:12:29,120 change my my name here from mr. UFO the 1597 01:12:33,970 --> 01:12:32,360 hunter table son of ufology to sponge 1598 01:12:38,590 --> 01:12:33,980 bob bob sponge 1599 01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:38,600 what's his behavior that's just not a 1600 01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:44,090 sexy I don't know I wear short shorts or 1601 01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:50,719 something right what are your options 1602 01:12:56,410 --> 01:12:54,320 there it depends on what kind of crowd 1603 01:12:58,720 --> 01:12:56,420 you're dealing with I suppose yeah good 1604 01:13:02,680 --> 01:12:58,730 point you know yeah yeah you know what 1605 01:13:04,150 --> 01:13:02,690 you're gonna be a hit oh boy yeah yeah 1606 01:13:06,180 --> 01:13:04,160 you don't want to you don't want to go 1607 01:13:10,570 --> 01:13:06,190 there today I mean good probably not 1608 01:13:11,950 --> 01:13:10,580 yeah yeah okay so you know what I hear 1609 01:13:14,770 --> 01:13:11,960 we've got it we're down to a half an 1610 01:13:19,290 --> 01:13:14,780 hour here so I got a pack as much 1611 01:13:22,570 --> 01:13:19,300 information as possible but now I think 1612 01:13:25,410 --> 01:13:22,580 okay I did a book let's see about a 1613 01:13:28,370 --> 01:13:25,420 little over a year ago it's one of my 1614 01:13:31,850 --> 01:13:28,380 favorites out of the 300 1615 01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:31,860 it's called the matrix control system of 1616 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:34,410 philip k dick and they paranormal 1617 01:13:40,970 --> 01:13:37,130 synchronicities of Timothy green Beckman 1618 01:13:43,180 --> 01:13:40,980 now I guess most of your listeners who 1619 01:13:46,820 --> 01:13:43,190 would know who Philip J a dick is 1620 01:13:48,050 --> 01:13:46,830 because on Amazon now there's a then 1621 01:13:51,530 --> 01:13:48,060 what was the height and the man in the 1622 01:13:54,380 --> 01:13:51,540 high castle and there's a total recall 1623 01:13:56,810 --> 01:13:54,390 it was based on his you know his his 1624 01:14:00,830 --> 01:13:56,820 books now philip k dick was one of the 1625 01:14:07,700 --> 01:14:00,840 few science fiction writers who had a an 1626 01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:07,710 interest in all this kind of weird type 1627 01:14:18,910 --> 01:14:11,490 of you know information in fact back in 1628 01:14:24,050 --> 01:14:18,920 19 I think 1977 he was in in France 1629 01:14:30,410 --> 01:14:24,060 attending a science fiction convention 1630 01:14:32,150 --> 01:14:30,420 and he was up at the the podium and I 1631 01:14:33,740 --> 01:14:32,160 think was doing a press conference so 1632 01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:33,750 there was a lot of science fiction media 1633 01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:35,970 in the any audience and a lot of fans 1634 01:14:41,950 --> 01:14:39,510 and he was fairly well established and 1635 01:14:43,130 --> 01:14:41,960 well-known but not as much as he is 1636 01:14:45,890 --> 01:14:43,140 today 1637 01:14:51,740 --> 01:14:45,900 the hikida man in the high castle was 1638 01:14:54,170 --> 01:14:51,750 the program that's on amazon prime 1639 01:14:58,370 --> 01:14:54,180 anyway he got up in front of this room 1640 01:15:02,200 --> 01:14:58,380 of about 400 people and he made what 1641 01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:02,210 would be considered to be an astonishing 1642 01:15:07,970 --> 01:15:04,890 admission and I would just quote this 1643 01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:07,980 here this is from philip k dick and it's 1644 01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:10,050 from my book The Matrix control systems 1645 01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:12,780 okay there people claim to remember past 1646 01:15:19,220 --> 01:15:15,840 lives I claim to remember a very 1647 01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:19,230 different present life I know of no one 1648 01:15:24,380 --> 01:15:21,810 who has ever made this claim before but 1649 01:15:27,650 --> 01:15:24,390 I rather suspect that my experience is 1650 01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:27,660 not unique from perhaps as unique to the 1651 01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:29,490 fact that I am willing to talk about it 1652 01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:32,330 we are living in a computer program 1653 01:15:40,340 --> 01:15:36,450 reality and the only clue we have to it 1654 01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:40,350 is with some verbal cue is changed and 1655 01:15:45,450 --> 01:15:42,400 some alteration 1656 01:15:47,220 --> 01:15:45,460 our reality occurs we would have the 1657 01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:47,230 overwhelming impression that we were 1658 01:15:52,290 --> 01:15:50,290 reliving the present deja vu perhaps in 1659 01:15:54,540 --> 01:15:52,300 the same way seeing the same thing 1660 01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:54,550 hearing the same words I submit that 1661 01:16:00,000 --> 01:15:56,850 these impressions are valid and 1662 01:16:04,919 --> 01:16:00,010 significant and I will say this such an 1663 01:16:08,300 --> 01:16:04,929 impression is a clue that at some past 1664 01:16:10,860 --> 01:16:08,310 tide point a verbal cue was changed 1665 01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:10,870 pre-programmed as it were and because of 1666 01:16:17,070 --> 01:16:13,510 this an alternative world branched off 1667 01:16:22,430 --> 01:16:17,080 well he was the first individual is as 1668 01:16:26,180 --> 01:16:22,440 far as I know who revealed the fact that 1669 01:16:29,070 --> 01:16:26,190 we are living in a parallel universe 1670 01:16:33,209 --> 01:16:29,080 perhaps simultaneously we are living in 1671 01:16:36,209 --> 01:16:33,219 more one more than one universe a pie 1672 01:16:43,290 --> 01:16:36,219 that there may be a three of you and six 1673 01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:43,300 of me but my self-importance and that 1674 01:16:48,990 --> 01:16:45,730 somebody is controlling all of this I 1675 01:16:52,110 --> 01:16:49,000 mean and and the proof of this is 1676 01:16:54,959 --> 01:16:52,120 through synchronicities I'm happy to a 1677 01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:54,969 large degree and and this is this this 1678 01:17:00,810 --> 01:16:57,360 book here happens to be about the 1679 01:17:03,630 --> 01:17:00,820 400-plus my microphone the the book 1680 01:17:05,970 --> 01:17:03,640 happens to be about 460 pages 1681 01:17:08,700 --> 01:17:05,980 part of it is about philip k dick and 1682 01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:08,710 his interest in UFOs he had a man in 1683 01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:09,760 black experience 1684 01:17:18,180 --> 01:17:12,850 he frogs 1685 01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:18,190 he led a very interesting life but he 1686 01:17:23,340 --> 01:17:20,489 did not see his first in his first movie 1687 01:17:26,250 --> 01:17:23,350 he passed away just before the movie was 1688 01:17:29,310 --> 01:17:26,260 released our memories we call it blade 1689 01:17:31,740 --> 01:17:29,320 running that's one of the the moons play 1690 01:17:34,919 --> 01:17:31,750 brother he passed away maybe a month or 1691 01:17:40,649 --> 01:17:34,929 so before the movie k you know he was 1692 01:17:43,649 --> 01:17:40,659 married five times we've had his fifth 1693 01:17:45,709 --> 01:17:43,659 wife on our program several times so 1694 01:17:48,959 --> 01:17:45,719 she's very knowledgeable knowledgeable 1695 01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:48,969 tessa yesterday and and she's written 1696 01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:53,199 you know her experiences with k dick but 1697 01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:55,600 anyway i'm into the synchronicity and 1698 01:18:00,779 --> 01:17:57,010 they have play 1699 01:18:02,430 --> 01:18:00,789 all my life now let's let's just start 1700 01:18:03,899 --> 01:18:02,440 out with one okay 1701 01:18:05,609 --> 01:18:03,909 people think of synchronicities they'll 1702 01:18:07,529 --> 01:18:05,619 say oh I thought of somebody and they 1703 01:18:09,719 --> 01:18:07,539 called two days later on the telephone 1704 01:18:11,819 --> 01:18:09,729 I don't even count that or I woke up in 1705 01:18:13,620 --> 01:18:11,829 the clocks ten eleven eleven or four 1706 01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:13,630 four four I'm not even sure what that 1707 01:18:17,879 --> 01:18:16,090 means but I didn't even put those in my 1708 01:18:19,979 --> 01:18:17,889 book I mean that's kind of childish it 1709 01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:19,989 doesn't prove anything but to my way of 1710 01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:21,760 thinking there's somebody out here who's 1711 01:18:27,899 --> 01:18:25,209 controlling us to some degree now can we 1712 01:18:29,459 --> 01:18:27,909 break out of the the matrix or would we 1713 01:18:31,410 --> 01:18:29,469 want to break out of the matrix and if 1714 01:18:33,719 --> 01:18:31,420 we broke out in the matrix what would 1715 01:18:35,219 --> 01:18:33,729 happen to us all and maybe we are 1716 01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:35,229 breaking out of the matrix and they 1717 01:18:40,020 --> 01:18:37,209 don't like it and that could be the 1718 01:18:41,790 --> 01:18:40,030 reason for some of the UFO experiences a 1719 01:18:44,189 --> 01:18:41,800 paranormal things that are happening but 1720 01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:44,199 if there's an opening between their 1721 01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:46,090 world in our world and it's through 1722 01:18:54,149 --> 01:18:50,320 vortexes and stargates and portals and 1723 01:19:02,640 --> 01:18:54,159 all of them okay let's go let's go back 1724 01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:02,650 to 1971-72 I was invited to speak at a 1725 01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:07,209 UFO conference in San Francisco I had 1726 01:19:12,449 --> 01:19:10,170 never been to San Francisco before and 1727 01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:12,459 of course I was looking forward to it 1728 01:19:19,790 --> 01:19:15,130 they were paying my expense and a little 1729 01:19:22,649 --> 01:19:19,800 of electrically and I think my 1730 01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:22,659 appearance of the in the hotel to give 1731 01:19:28,020 --> 01:19:24,729 my presentation was like I was Saturday 1732 01:19:29,969 --> 01:19:28,030 night so I gave my talk about an hour 1733 01:19:32,009 --> 01:19:29,979 and I guess it was about 400 people 1734 01:19:37,259 --> 01:19:32,019 there got a fairly good reception and 1735 01:19:38,939 --> 01:19:37,269 the next day before I had a flight back 1736 01:19:41,969 --> 01:19:38,949 to Newark at about four o'clock in the 1737 01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:41,979 afternoon so I checked that in a hotel 1738 01:19:47,219 --> 01:19:44,249 we had some time to kill so the 1739 01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:47,229 promoters of the conference they Loretta 1740 01:19:53,819 --> 01:19:50,489 can his wife and he since the Seas 1741 01:19:56,939 --> 01:19:53,829 decided well let's take two typically 1742 01:20:02,699 --> 01:19:56,949 two to brunch and we'll invite some of 1743 01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:02,709 the board of directors for the UFO group 1744 01:20:07,410 --> 01:20:05,280 that he was running at the time the 1745 01:20:10,110 --> 01:20:07,420 presentation was under the banner of the 1746 01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:10,120 Congress of scientific ufologist 1747 01:20:14,700 --> 01:20:12,490 though we didn't have a scientist in the 1748 01:20:16,890 --> 01:20:14,710 group really but it was a it was a good 1749 01:20:21,300 --> 01:20:16,900 catch-all name and it got us on a lot of 1750 01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:21,310 it got us some media attention and 1751 01:20:26,370 --> 01:20:23,890 anyway so we we picked the place or they 1752 01:20:30,450 --> 01:20:26,380 picked the place at random to have a 1753 01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:30,460 brunch I've never been into this for a 1754 01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:32,290 part of town why I've never been to San 1755 01:20:35,820 --> 01:20:34,090 Francisco and the people who picked this 1756 01:20:37,230 --> 01:20:35,830 place what we kind of picked into random 1757 01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:37,240 I think we were just you know walking 1758 01:20:41,610 --> 01:20:39,370 around and we said look at the menu and 1759 01:20:43,740 --> 01:20:41,620 say hey they got a Bloody Mary so let's 1760 01:20:45,150 --> 01:20:43,750 go in and and have brunch okay so we 1761 01:20:48,590 --> 01:20:45,160 walked into this place and we sat down 1762 01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:48,600 and we start you know chatting and I own 1763 01:20:53,610 --> 01:20:50,800 conversation didn't have too much to say 1764 01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:53,620 but I happen to mention I said that to 1765 01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:55,690 the promoter and his friends you know if 1766 01:20:58,860 --> 01:20:57,280 I had thought about this and planned a 1767 01:21:01,080 --> 01:20:58,870 little bit better maybe I should have 1768 01:21:03,900 --> 01:21:01,090 called some of the people that I moved 1769 01:21:06,180 --> 01:21:03,910 to used to live in New York and came out 1770 01:21:08,430 --> 01:21:06,190 here to San Francisco then I hadn't been 1771 01:21:10,250 --> 01:21:08,440 in touch with and one fellow in 1772 01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:10,260 particular came to mind he was a 1773 01:21:16,140 --> 01:21:14,320 well-known a psychic and a well they 1774 01:21:18,690 --> 01:21:16,150 didn't call him remote viewer but astral 1775 01:21:21,660 --> 01:21:18,700 projection a person by the name of Alan 1776 01:21:24,180 --> 01:21:21,670 Wong and he had a very stellar 1777 01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:24,190 reputation but he was also quite a 1778 01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:26,830 character he liked to drink beer like to 1779 01:21:32,550 --> 01:21:30,850 took a little bit of partying it was 1780 01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:32,560 even somebody that I didn't mind 1781 01:21:36,900 --> 01:21:35,050 socializing with and he spoke at our New 1782 01:21:38,910 --> 01:21:36,910 York school occult Arts and Sciences and 1783 01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:38,920 gave lectures and workshops at all well 1784 01:21:44,010 --> 01:21:41,890 he had moved to San Francisco from the 1785 01:21:44,370 --> 01:21:44,020 Brooklyn area because he got offered a 1786 01:21:47,300 --> 01:21:44,380 job 1787 01:21:50,850 --> 01:21:47,310 a rather prestigious one at the time as 1788 01:21:53,850 --> 01:21:50,860 editor of psychic magazine now in those 1789 01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:53,860 days there were newsstands sure some 1790 01:21:56,970 --> 01:21:55,210 people young people who they don't even 1791 01:21:59,250 --> 01:21:56,980 know what that is new stances sold 1792 01:22:00,840 --> 01:21:59,260 magazines and one of the magazines of 1793 01:22:02,490 --> 01:22:00,850 course fake magazine was around and 1794 01:22:04,620 --> 01:22:02,500 great bombers flying saucers and 1795 01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:04,630 somebody with a little bit of backing 1796 01:22:08,370 --> 01:22:06,250 decided to start a magazine called 1797 01:22:12,690 --> 01:22:08,380 psychic which was aimed at a more 1798 01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:12,700 academic audience where fate had scary 1799 01:22:19,260 --> 01:22:16,570 ghost stories and UFOs pieces.this had 1800 01:22:24,030 --> 01:22:19,270 interviews with Peter hurkos said Jean 1801 01:22:27,180 --> 01:22:24,040 Dixon and I lead the garret the favor 1802 01:22:29,310 --> 01:22:27,190 median and Bishop Pike and so forth and 1803 01:22:31,380 --> 01:22:29,320 it was pretty bad glossy paper with 1804 01:22:33,810 --> 01:22:31,390 color photographs so I said to these 1805 01:22:35,460 --> 01:22:33,820 people Jesus did bad that I didn't get a 1806 01:22:38,130 --> 01:22:35,470 chance to call out one because I would 1807 01:22:41,210 --> 01:22:38,140 have liked to see two minutes later the 1808 01:22:43,950 --> 01:22:41,220 door to the restaurant that we were open 1809 01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:43,960 swings open and somebody comes in 1810 01:22:48,420 --> 01:22:46,480 walking their dog and I looked at the 1811 01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:48,430 fellow and I say to myself that looks 1812 01:22:54,060 --> 01:22:52,090 like Alan Moore and so I motioned this 1813 01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:54,070 gentleman over to the table and he sat 1814 01:22:59,850 --> 01:22:57,360 down and it was I was born I mean here 1815 01:23:01,590 --> 01:22:59,860 we had never been in this restaurant I 1816 01:23:03,780 --> 01:23:01,600 had never been in San Francisco he had 1817 01:23:05,370 --> 01:23:03,790 never been in this place before he said 1818 01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:05,380 he was walking his dog and he felt like 1819 01:23:11,460 --> 01:23:08,650 getting a beer so he decides to stop it 1820 01:23:12,900 --> 01:23:11,470 to this play a place at random so we had 1821 01:23:14,940 --> 01:23:12,910 a good chuckle over that I mean that's 1822 01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:14,950 quite a synchronicity you're in a town 1823 01:23:18,690 --> 01:23:17,170 of 3,000 miles away that has a million 1824 01:23:19,710 --> 01:23:18,700 people and you're sitting in a 1825 01:23:20,850 --> 01:23:19,720 restaurant where you've never been 1826 01:23:22,230 --> 01:23:20,860 before and here comes the guy you're 1827 01:23:24,510 --> 01:23:22,240 talking about the door five minutes 1828 01:23:27,060 --> 01:23:24,520 later okay but here here's the crazy 1829 01:23:28,110 --> 01:23:27,070 here's here's the punchline I said well 1830 01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,120 I'll and what are you working on now 1831 01:23:32,370 --> 01:23:30,880 besides being editor of psychic now you 1832 01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:32,380 see well he says you know I'm working on 1833 01:23:36,930 --> 01:23:34,810 a book on synchronicity and coincidences 1834 01:23:38,940 --> 01:23:36,940 and I guess I have to put this in there 1835 01:23:41,070 --> 01:23:38,950 so if you can find this 50 cent 1836 01:23:43,970 --> 01:23:41,080 paperback I think it was published by 1837 01:23:46,410 --> 01:23:43,980 Pocket Books or Signet it's a 1838 01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:46,420 synchronicities and coincidence by Allen 1839 01:23:53,820 --> 01:23:50,400 one there's a page in there about our 1840 01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:53,830 listening I mean okay that's pretty 1841 01:23:58,230 --> 01:23:56,410 bizarre but hey okay it could happen you 1842 01:24:01,140 --> 01:23:58,240 know once or twice but I got enough to 1843 01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:01,150 fill a 450 page for I'm in Tucson 1844 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:03,850 Arizona and I'm spending some time with 1845 01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:05,770 my friend is Sharla who and like I say 1846 01:24:11,370 --> 01:24:07,810 he is a life photographer when I'm out 1847 01:24:13,710 --> 01:24:11,380 there we we socialize and she listens to 1848 01:24:21,300 --> 01:24:13,720 all the and the shows and critiques my 1849 01:24:26,100 --> 01:24:23,700 we eat we spent the afternoon with a 1850 01:24:29,370 --> 01:24:26,110 fellow by the name of Alan banks who has 1851 01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:29,380 a local UFO group there in Tucson and 1852 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:32,770 he's been involved in the UFO worked for 1853 01:24:37,950 --> 01:24:35,770 decades I originally met him I think in 1854 01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:37,960 Cleveland he was part of the 1855 01:24:42,180 --> 01:24:40,210 Rick hilberg their circle with the 1856 01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:42,190 Congress of scientific you follow Justin 1857 01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:45,520 and whatever UFO UFO digest things you 1858 01:24:49,859 --> 01:24:47,770 like and they were pulling it I'm back 1859 01:24:52,529 --> 01:24:49,869 in the back in the late sixties or 1860 01:24:57,629 --> 01:24:52,539 seventies and he transplanted himself to 1861 01:25:00,089 --> 01:24:57,639 Tucson and he got the job I'm sure was 1862 01:25:03,089 --> 01:25:00,099 not egg dump his library he was a 1863 01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:03,099 professional librarian he got the job is 1864 01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:07,090 librarian for afro Jim and Karla resins 1865 01:25:12,450 --> 01:25:10,690 group and like I say they had all these 1866 01:25:14,459 --> 01:25:12,460 these five reports that had been 1867 01:25:18,839 --> 01:25:14,469 translated many of them to do with 1868 01:25:21,589 --> 01:25:18,849 humanoid you know sightings that nobody 1869 01:25:24,990 --> 01:25:21,599 else had and they had quite a 1870 01:25:27,209 --> 01:25:25,000 international group of contributors in 1871 01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:27,219 fact we do rely on on some of their 1872 01:25:32,279 --> 01:25:30,639 material in our in our books because 1873 01:25:35,879 --> 01:25:32,289 they did a lot of good investigative 1874 01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:35,889 work so Allen was the in librarian and 1875 01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:37,449 one day he was approached by Judith 1876 01:25:41,879 --> 01:25:40,210 coral Lorenza it said hey they had been 1877 01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:41,889 getting phone calls to my uh Hollywood 1878 01:25:45,410 --> 01:25:42,880 the studio 1879 01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:45,420 in the Hollywood studio wanted them to 1880 01:25:50,010 --> 01:25:48,400 advise on a film that was in the early 1881 01:25:51,930 --> 01:25:50,020 stages of production but they were too 1882 01:25:54,180 --> 01:25:51,940 busy or they didn't want to do something 1883 01:25:57,450 --> 01:25:54,190 so they said Phil Allen well you'd be 1884 01:26:01,020 --> 01:25:57,460 our liaison between the production 1885 01:26:03,569 --> 01:26:01,030 company and it turned out that it was 1886 01:26:06,180 --> 01:26:03,579 the I don't know Fairmont Studios or 1887 01:26:08,850 --> 01:26:06,190 whoever and they were working on 1888 01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:08,860 gathering material for Steven Spielberg 1889 01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:11,050 and Close Encounters this was in the 1890 01:26:15,629 --> 01:26:13,210 early stages and they were looking for 1891 01:26:17,790 --> 01:26:15,639 you know ideas and stuff you know I 1892 01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:17,800 later I became the editor or the Close 1893 01:26:23,790 --> 01:26:21,520 Encounters poster magazine and my job 1894 01:26:26,459 --> 01:26:23,800 was was to take real UFO sightings and 1895 01:26:29,220 --> 01:26:26,469 correlate them to incidents that were in 1896 01:26:31,919 --> 01:26:29,230 the movie so I spent maybe in three 1897 01:26:34,910 --> 01:26:31,929 hours interviewing Allen beds about his 1898 01:26:37,500 --> 01:26:34,920 involved involvement with Avril okay so 1899 01:26:40,319 --> 01:26:37,510 finally at the end of the day we said 1900 01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:40,329 goodbye so forth and the Charlotte I got 1901 01:26:45,330 --> 01:26:42,719 into her vehicle and we headed towards 1902 01:26:47,220 --> 01:26:45,340 Sedona now we didn't tell anybody where 1903 01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:47,230 we were going because frankly was none 1904 01:26:50,220 --> 01:26:48,010 of their business 1905 01:26:51,300 --> 01:26:50,230 and so we got it and it's about maybe a 1906 01:26:57,180 --> 01:26:51,310 three hour 1907 01:27:00,150 --> 01:26:57,190 drive we usually stop at a place just 1908 01:27:03,060 --> 01:27:00,160 before you get into a town there's a 1909 01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:03,070 place called the coffee pot which is 1910 01:27:08,910 --> 01:27:06,250 right on the edge of one of the vortexes 1911 01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:08,920 if you get a map of Sedona there's like 1912 01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:12,970 four vortex or portals and where there 1913 01:27:18,810 --> 01:27:14,770 is an increased chance of weird things 1914 01:27:21,090 --> 01:27:18,820 right so the coffee pot is known not 1915 01:27:22,740 --> 01:27:21,100 only for coffee of course but they have 1916 01:27:25,860 --> 01:27:22,750 a hundred and three different kinds of 1917 01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:25,870 omelets can you imagine that I think the 1918 01:27:31,620 --> 01:27:29,050 last one 103 is like pineapple 1919 01:27:34,380 --> 01:27:31,630 peanut butter and jelly which is not to 1920 01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:34,390 my taste but you know you could go that 1921 01:27:37,620 --> 01:27:35,770 if you're in their brunch 1922 01:27:41,310 --> 01:27:37,630 that's the place you get a Bloody Mary 1923 01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:41,320 and an omelet of your your choice and 1924 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:44,080 your choice is probably not use okay so 1925 01:27:47,730 --> 01:27:45,610 we said there would chat for a couple 1926 01:27:49,470 --> 01:27:47,740 hours or so you know it's a nice weather 1927 01:27:53,850 --> 01:27:49,480 and the beautiful scenery through the 1928 01:27:59,070 --> 01:27:53,860 mountains Red Rocks and flips bell 1929 01:28:02,610 --> 01:27:59,080 rockin people go to meditate and have 1930 01:28:05,010 --> 01:28:02,620 the UFO experience okay so we leave the 1931 01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:05,020 the restaurant and we go out to the 1932 01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:07,570 parking lot and we go to get into 1933 01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:11,290 Charlotte's car and next to us apartment 1934 01:28:17,190 --> 01:28:15,730 space there is a vehicle a car and it's 1935 01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:17,200 cooled down a little bit more than it 1936 01:28:22,410 --> 01:28:19,330 should be you know it's kind of like 1937 01:28:25,740 --> 01:28:22,420 angular parking you know where you kind 1938 01:28:26,970 --> 01:28:25,750 of pull in around on you it's fine it's 1939 01:28:29,070 --> 01:28:26,980 not parallel parking 1940 01:28:31,140 --> 01:28:29,080 okay it's the other kind of part okay 1941 01:28:32,820 --> 01:28:31,150 and you know their lines on the 1942 01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:32,830 underground when you're supposed to all 1943 01:28:37,380 --> 01:28:34,570 right but their car sticking out a 1944 01:28:39,390 --> 01:28:37,390 little bit more okay it's the back part 1945 01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:39,400 of the the car you know it's facing 1946 01:28:45,330 --> 01:28:43,330 outside so we can pull out that way and 1947 01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:45,340 we happen to look notice the license 1948 01:28:52,620 --> 01:28:48,490 plate on the car what does the license 1949 01:28:54,630 --> 01:28:52,630 fight say in big bold letters you know 1950 01:28:56,910 --> 01:28:54,640 right way above it it says the state of 1951 01:29:03,180 --> 01:28:56,920 Arizona and underneath it in huge 1952 01:29:04,830 --> 01:29:03,190 letters a P R oh now a from a pro the 1953 01:29:08,130 --> 01:29:04,840 group has not been in 1954 01:29:10,890 --> 01:29:08,140 since for 30 years we have just met with 1955 01:29:12,660 --> 01:29:10,900 the former librarian of the group who 1956 01:29:14,850 --> 01:29:12,670 did not know where we were going 1957 01:29:16,890 --> 01:29:14,860 and even if anybody knew where we were 1958 01:29:18,570 --> 01:29:16,900 going there's no there's no real member 1959 01:29:20,130 --> 01:29:18,580 I I asked them well are any of the 1960 01:29:21,900 --> 01:29:20,140 children like did they have children are 1961 01:29:23,850 --> 01:29:21,910 the interest in the subject Mouse and 1962 01:29:25,620 --> 01:29:23,860 know they they they couldn't care less 1963 01:29:28,710 --> 01:29:25,630 nobody even knows where the actual files 1964 01:29:30,930 --> 01:29:28,720 are there are some fair housing or 1965 01:29:33,750 --> 01:29:30,940 something somewhere maybe we can try to 1966 01:29:35,100 --> 01:29:33,760 find them uh so I think yeah I think 1967 01:29:36,710 --> 01:29:35,110 people know where they are it's just 1968 01:29:40,190 --> 01:29:36,720 that the two people that are girls 1969 01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:40,200 they're just not gonna give it up yeah 1970 01:29:44,370 --> 01:29:42,250 they have no interest in doing anything 1971 01:29:46,410 --> 01:29:44,380 with it either it's not like it's an 1972 01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:46,420 already covered got no commercial value 1973 01:29:51,390 --> 01:29:49,090 into it they don't let other researchers 1974 01:29:54,900 --> 01:29:51,400 get to it but here part of the space 1975 01:29:59,760 --> 01:29:54,910 next to us is a card that says that bro 1976 01:30:02,400 --> 01:29:59,770 nobody knows you were there okay but I I 1977 01:30:04,650 --> 01:30:02,410 mean here okay I went to Atlantic City 1978 01:30:06,270 --> 01:30:04,660 recently I don't even gamble but I go 1979 01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:06,280 down with my friend Maria Deanne he 1980 01:30:11,340 --> 01:30:09,130 writes a psychic books for it cause it's 1981 01:30:14,610 --> 01:30:11,350 a cheap room it's a nice drive you're on 1982 01:30:17,010 --> 01:30:14,620 the beach and there's a million 1983 01:30:19,770 --> 01:30:17,020 restaurants and an IMAX theater and it's 1984 01:30:22,650 --> 01:30:19,780 it's something it's something to do okay 1985 01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:22,660 so we're on the Greyhound bus and we're 1986 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:25,090 headed we're headed down there and just 1987 01:30:30,420 --> 01:30:27,850 before you get to the the hotel you go 1988 01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:30,430 through the side streets of Atlantic 1989 01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:33,370 City and there's a bed-and-breakfast 1990 01:30:37,380 --> 01:30:35,050 there I don't remember what the name of 1991 01:30:40,670 --> 01:30:37,390 it is but up on the roof and I have no 1992 01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:40,680 reason why this is there there are 1993 01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:44,320 statues sculptures of the Blues Brothers 1994 01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:47,050 dan Aykroyd and John Belushi 1995 01:30:50,490 --> 01:30:48,850 don't ask me what they're doing on the 1996 01:30:52,890 --> 01:30:50,500 roof but it's a piece of it's a piece of 1997 01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:52,900 art right and of course now Dan is 1998 01:30:59,190 --> 01:30:56,730 interested in UFOs and you know his 1999 01:31:02,400 --> 01:30:59,200 grandparents had a spiritualist group 2000 01:31:04,710 --> 01:31:02,410 that that's how those we get those 2001 01:31:07,020 --> 01:31:04,720 posters was was written because he used 2002 01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:07,030 to sneak in and watch the seances that 2003 01:31:11,610 --> 01:31:10,570 his grandparents where right just say 2004 01:31:12,930 --> 01:31:11,620 that I do have a question from the 2005 01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:12,940 audience and we're getting ready to 2006 01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:14,650 close the show so I just don't want to 2007 01:31:19,919 --> 01:31:17,679 make sure we've got time okay 2008 01:31:21,209 --> 01:31:19,929 okay and I'm so sorry that just means 2009 01:31:23,250 --> 01:31:21,219 you're gonna have to come back in it 2010 01:31:26,610 --> 01:31:23,260 again but I do I have somebody that 2011 01:31:31,169 --> 01:31:26,620 wants to know who commander X's tell us 2012 01:31:36,810 --> 01:31:31,179 about commander X oh well I I can't tell 2013 01:31:38,910 --> 01:31:36,820 you who commander X is because I I was 2014 01:31:40,770 --> 01:31:38,920 sworn to secrecy and it it doesn't 2015 01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:40,780 matter because if I told you his name 2016 01:31:46,620 --> 01:31:43,120 was Joe Blow you wouldn't know who Joe 2017 01:31:50,100 --> 01:31:46,630 Blow is anyway but there is a book where 2018 01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:50,110 we would reveal who the ghostwriter is 2019 01:31:56,399 --> 01:31:53,850 for some of the material of commander X 2020 01:31:58,350 --> 01:31:56,409 commander X would send us this material 2021 01:32:03,240 --> 01:31:58,360 it was not and it was good information 2022 01:32:05,070 --> 01:32:03,250 but it was not in an order that you 2023 01:32:07,649 --> 01:32:05,080 could actually publish it somebody would 2024 01:32:09,060 --> 01:32:07,659 have to put it you know together so we 2025 01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:09,070 hired a ghostwriter who was a 2026 01:32:13,050 --> 01:32:11,890 well-established conspiracy writer but 2027 01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:13,060 you're gonna have to buy the book to 2028 01:32:17,610 --> 01:32:15,370 find out who it is or you can go to the 2029 01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:17,620 Internet if you go to amazon.com and 2030 01:32:24,810 --> 01:32:21,489 look for my blog it's probably in butter 2031 01:32:26,729 --> 01:32:24,820 there but it was away it's not the 2032 01:32:29,399 --> 01:32:26,739 person who's the actual source of the 2033 01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:29,409 material but somebody did put and 2034 01:32:35,610 --> 01:32:33,370 organize the the the work and the 2035 01:32:37,709 --> 01:32:35,620 recently on the the travel with the 2036 01:32:40,290 --> 01:32:37,719 channel that you're well established 2037 01:32:44,340 --> 01:32:40,300 there's a show about personalities 2038 01:32:45,570 --> 01:32:44,350 celebrities who have had experiences and 2039 01:32:49,470 --> 01:32:45,580 there's a fella by the name of house 2040 01:32:52,709 --> 01:32:49,480 parks who's a comedian that's Joe okay 2041 01:32:55,020 --> 01:32:52,719 he got a job in Hollywood the first job 2042 01:32:57,270 --> 01:32:55,030 he got was working for somebody who was 2043 01:32:58,919 --> 01:32:57,280 writing a science fiction script and so 2044 01:33:01,890 --> 01:32:58,929 they told him to go out and buy all the 2045 01:33:04,350 --> 01:33:01,900 UFO books that he could to find out 2046 01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:04,360 about you know aliens and what people 2047 01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:07,090 see and he got a book by a commander X 2048 01:33:12,750 --> 01:33:08,650 but she actually read a paragraph or two 2049 01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:12,760 from on the air and he got he realized 2050 01:33:17,790 --> 01:33:15,040 he'd had a sighting when he was a like a 2051 01:33:19,740 --> 01:33:17,800 you know 10 or 11 years old and he 2052 01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:19,750 realized that he might be a UFO repeater 2053 01:33:26,250 --> 01:33:23,530 or a generate generational abductee and 2054 01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:26,260 when he went home over Thanksgiving a 2055 01:33:31,590 --> 01:33:28,810 vacation to talk to his I guess is the 2056 01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:31,600 aunt or his mother or somebody and 2057 01:33:34,740 --> 01:33:33,040 proud he was to get his first job in 2058 01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:34,750 Hollywood and he said about what he was 2059 01:33:39,450 --> 01:33:36,490 doing he said oh you ought to talk to 2060 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:39,460 your uncle you know because he's had UFO 2061 01:33:43,890 --> 01:33:42,010 experience it turns out that there are 2062 01:33:46,380 --> 01:33:43,900 other people in the family who had had 2063 01:33:49,710 --> 01:33:46,390 UFO sightings and so forth and so now he 2064 01:33:53,970 --> 01:33:49,720 thinks he may be a generational of Daffy 2065 01:33:56,220 --> 01:33:53,980 and it's all because of commander X and 2066 01:33:59,310 --> 01:33:56,230 so our Branton and Commander X are two 2067 01:34:00,530 --> 01:33:59,320 different individuals all right oh no 2068 01:34:03,330 --> 01:34:00,540 Britain has nothing to do with 2069 01:34:05,610 --> 01:34:03,340 whatsoever okay although although 2070 01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:05,620 Brandis is type of person he take a book 2071 01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:08,050 and just throw in a lot of you know he 2072 01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:10,050 quotes from gear there in the other 2073 01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:11,890 everywhere else so you never quite know 2074 01:34:16,410 --> 01:34:14,320 exactly who he gives credit but it said 2075 01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:16,420 his paragraphs are like a page in a yeah 2076 01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:18,400 you know half log that I'd never know 2077 01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:20,530 quite exactly what his source material 2078 01:34:25,620 --> 01:34:22,210 but done so it no relationship 2079 01:34:30,330 --> 01:34:25,630 whatsoever okay and I think I have to 2080 01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:30,340 finish my story about that or you can 2081 01:34:34,530 --> 01:34:32,410 buy the book you can get the book matrix 2082 01:34:36,780 --> 01:34:34,540 control system the philip k dick and the 2083 01:34:38,850 --> 01:34:36,790 paranormal synchronicities of tim 2084 01:34:41,370 --> 01:34:38,860 Beckley if you get it on Amazon or 2085 01:34:44,130 --> 01:34:41,380 haven't helped me you can find me on 2086 01:34:46,110 --> 01:34:44,140 Facebook or through K cor and listen to 2087 01:34:47,460 --> 01:34:46,120 explore ease and desire Thursday night 2088 01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:47,470 there you go 2089 01:34:53,550 --> 01:34:50,050 if I don't do what you know I never I 2090 01:34:56,580 --> 01:34:53,560 always learned early out you got to plug 2091 01:34:58,410 --> 01:34:56,590 your own stuff yes you do but some some 2092 01:35:00,360 --> 01:34:58,420 host would never even mention it 2093 01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:00,370 and I you're not going to get away with 2094 01:35:04,980 --> 01:35:03,370 that whatever that's important and 2095 01:35:10,500 --> 01:35:04,990 you've done it you've written so many 2096 01:35:12,990 --> 01:35:10,510 books and I you know and I do make a 2097 01:35:14,910 --> 01:35:13,000 living from this and I hi and I pay 2098 01:35:16,620 --> 01:35:14,920 people to do work so I gotta have you 2099 01:35:17,850 --> 01:35:16,630 know if it wasn't for making money on 2100 01:35:19,980 --> 01:35:17,860 this I would have never been able to 2101 01:35:21,420 --> 01:35:19,990 carry out my investigation I mean we got 2102 01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:21,430 paid six seven hundred dollars for 2103 01:35:25,140 --> 01:35:23,650 articles in the old days and I went out 2104 01:35:29,220 --> 01:35:25,150 and I spent it on conference calls and 2105 01:35:34,620 --> 01:35:29,230 traveling around and all absolutely it 2106 01:35:36,750 --> 01:35:34,630 has been fun to have you on I know 2107 01:35:38,670 --> 01:35:36,760 Tina's good that way America looks here 2108 01:35:40,170 --> 01:35:38,680 Tim Beck we thank you for joining in 2109 01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:40,180 tonight you can stick around for Willie 2110 01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:43,330 Miranda and I will get links to all of 2111 01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:45,010 Tim stuff and I 2112 01:35:48,690 --> 01:35:46,570 have a wonderful weekend I will be here 2113 01:35:51,480 --> 01:35:48,700 next week with Dave Beatty this should 2114 01:35:53,850 --> 01:35:51,490 be an exciting conversation so have a 2115 01:35:55,210 --> 01:35:53,860 good night and stick around we will